Floyd v Benitez,Whitake,Delahoya at147lbs?

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  1. N_ N___

    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oscar dwarfed Floyd at 54. It helped even the playing field for him.
     
  2. N_ N___

    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, your views on white privilege make your opinion pretty much void here.
     
  3. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Huh? That has nothing to do with him being past his prime.. past his best weight.. not having fought in a year. Yet, he WAS prime, WAS at his best weight, WAS active and had just fought 3 month earlier.. and according to you this is an IMPORTANT factor to a fight.. DWARFED Pea which gave him even more advantages. Guess what a past his prime, past his best weight, and on Coke still in many people's eyes beat Oscar. It's not even close when using this fight as a barometer
     
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    pea was missing something at 47. It's clear in the results he got there, not strictly the DLH fight. You can lump his performance against oscar in between quartey's and Mosley's. He'd be more competitive against Floyd at 135.

    What Oscar lacked was the ability to really take over a fight and win it. He really only did that against Vargas and Genero. Against his better opponents, he'd typically make it competitive and leave it that, win or lose by a couple points on official or unofficial cards . He didn't have Floyd's adaptability. That's why I'd never favor him to beat Floyd.
     
  5. Balder

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    Were is here?


    My opinion is more valid than an obvious racist.

    Racist = N_N___


    Troll somewhere else
     
  6. mrkoolkevin

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    Completely agree.

     
  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Yeah, Oscar wasn't really a clever, adaptive fighter. He mostly just overwhelmed guys with handspeed and volume. He got too tight with nervous energy and therefore often lacked the stamina to finish strong.

     
  8. Balder

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    Floyd is going to lose to all 3.


    Oscar beat him, Whitaker fought even with a much younger Oscar in his prime, Beneitez is a step above.

    I just don't see Floyd doing anything to ATG fighters. He fails to do more than outpoint lesser fighters, he lacks killer instinct, and I see yellow in his heart.

    Floyds status will go down as time goes on.
     
  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    You scored Mayweather-DlH for Oscar?

     
  10. Balder

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    Yes.


    I thought he won it. it was razor close, and I thought De La Hoya made a huge error in not using his Jab after around rounds 8-9. He had Mayweather flustered with it.

    He later said the same thing himself, that he should never have stopped using his Jab. He also thought he had done enough to win.

    I realize I am in the minority view on it, but I still think I am correct.
     
  11. fists of fury

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    :lol:
     
  12. KuRuPT

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    Only we know this not to be true. Whitaker sat down on his punches more than Floyd. Thus, if anybody is going to be given pause it's FLoyd not Whitaker.
     
  13. fists of fury

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    :huh
     
  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I've read this here before but it still doesn't make sense to me. Floyd sits down on plenty of his punches--the problem is that he throws them sparingly (and one at a time).

    Not to mention that Whitaker's full body defensive style--though entertaining--often kills his own offense by taking him out of fighting position.



     
  15. mrkoolkevin

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    Benitez was a very good fighter but I don't see why anyone would think that he's a step above Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    I think that Sweet Pea would struggle to score enough points against Floyd, particularly at 147. A bad matchup that takes away some of his usual competitive advantages.

    I agree with you that the Oscar fight was far closer than many people let on but I only gave him 5 rounds (and I thought that I was a bit of an outlier there).

    I think that Floyd's status will actually increase in the future, when people who currently dislike him because of his persona get more time to reflect on his amazing defensive prowess, ring smarts, and punching accuracy.