floyd V chavez at 140 or 135

I agree. This is the type of stuff that people post when they're desperate they now realize no one can beat him and so they pick things like he ducks and bends below the waist and should be deducted points or he's scared to get hit and a coward for not letting people hit him...all pathetic stuff really.:rofl

 

Did you see the article where Fraud says Chavez Defense is underrated?

 

My original discussion was about how Castillo has given Mayweather the most competitive fights. Chavez had that type of style. The only type I
believe can beat Floyd which is a great body attack with constant pressure. Floyd cannot be outboxed. But he can be beat. And has been.
Excuses are not valid on any championship level. Again, he seems to be
tired, brittle, and hurt at the most convenient times.

 

Castillo v Mayweather I

comes to mind immediately.

 

1. Castillo gave Floyd a competitive fight when he was injured. That was clarified in the immediate rematch that Floyd did not shy away from.

2. Floyd has never been beaten, but has been stated before, it is not the brawler that gives him his toughest fight. Thomas Hearns and Ray Leonard both would have given Floyd his worst night.

3. Again, Floyd doesn't need excuses. He is undefeated and wins under any circumstances.

 

Again, why does Floyd need to "hurt" Chavez? If the opportunity presents itself Floyd could surely hurt Chavez, but by no means does he NEED to. Floyd doesn't need to try to "keep Chavez at bay for twelve rounds" per say. It's not like once Chavez gets to the inside Floyd will just drop. Floyd would, however, be able to control the fight as he normally does.

 

Just because Chavez isn't great going backward doesn't mean he can't lose going forward.

 

Well I think its a good scrap stylisticaly. You may think Floyd won and believe he was hurt; but there is no denying he had his hands full in
both fights. And Chavez is a much better version of Castillo.

 

If Don King promoted the fight and had Richard Steele as referee along with the same judges that scored the Whitaker fight then Chavez wins, one way or another. If, however, the fight was fought on a level playing field then Mayweather would UD Chavez.

 

Pimp C:

I generally respect your opinions but i think you are being very bias here, you are saying PBF would dominate chavez the way whitaker and taylor did but i dont see how you cant see that whitaker style and taylor were very different styles, first taylor dominated chavez because of his workrate and i know he didnt have very good defense thats why he took a beating and **** blood, broken ribs etc while he was winning the fight until the ko came, PBF doesnt have the half of workrate that taylor had(and i am a FMJ FAN) so i dont think thats an advantage for floyd... Now lets see whitaker defense compared to FMJ defense(i do believe sweetpea beat chavez)... i think sweetpea defense was all wrong for chavez, whitaker is the kind of guy that slips punches while he is countering attacking or anything while still moving and not staying in the pocket, he goes in and out with his jab and as you saw in the chavez fight he never stayed in the pocket, is the kind of defense that a fighter like chavez couldnt cut the ring because of sweetpeas footwork now compared to FMJ, yes pbf has excellent defense and one of the best atg but this is the kind of defense chavez can penetrate, pbf slip punches while staying in the pocket, back in the ropes, etc but his footwork is not compared with sweetpeas, but yes pbf uses his shoulder roll defense to handle staying in the pocket while sliping punches, the problem comes here, if you stay in the pocket against a fighter who is one of the best combination punchers(body-head) in history, even if you are great at sliping punches while staying in the pocket he will break your defense, what a boxer need to win rounds against a guy like chavez is just what sweet pea did, slip punches while running(footwork) so you dont let the guy cut the ring but thats not the way pbf defense work like i am telling you thats why i think jcc would be able to cut pbf the ring and penetrate his defense because even an excellent defense like pbf if you stay in the ropes or in the pocket against jcc he will penetrate your defense, jcc is not a head hunter, he throws cominations to the body and head, i do believe he would get caught by mayweather counter style but jcc workrate would make enough to win the close rounds and later in the fight he would break fmj down(i am not syaing ko, it might though)...
Another thing i dont agree with you here, you say chavez is very slow, hell no, i am not saying he is as fast as fmj but i guess this thread is based on chavez prime not the one who faced whitaker who had lost a lot of speed, you can see his early fights, he wasnt slow, he wasnt very fast but he was above average fast, then you say he had poor defense, i really think jcc defense is one of the most underrated things here in esb, i think people needs to realize that there are fighters who come forward but still have a very good defense, and yes most of them doesnt have a very good defense(a very good example from the actuality is cotto) but there are ones with a very tought defense who gets in without getting caught cleanly, blocking and slipping some punches(the perfect example for this would be iron mike tyson), i am not saying jcc defense was as goog as tyson but you should rewatched some jcc tapes, i know you have watched plenty of his fights but most of the times you are so busy watching him how he comes forward that you dont realize how good he was as getting in without getting caught cleanly, most of the times he sacrifized being hit by a jab but he block or slip the biggest punches and when he was already inside he used his shoulder to block pretty much every hook the fighter throw at him, and the same shoulder was being use to open the opponent defense to follow with great combos to the body and head, so no i dont think he had bad defense, i think he had a very good defense, the main point why he got caught plenty of times against taylor was because of taylor workrate jcc looked like he was frustated by that and he got into a war and started throwing more combos without noticing he was getting caught with lots of punches but his chin made him the winner that night, but if you actually give space and time to try to get in(the way pbf does) jcc will get in without getting caught cleany, you frustrate him with workrate not letting him going forward with low workrate(thats what jcc used to like) and adding jcc chin to the table i think you know pbf punches wouldnt heart chavez so i think style favors chavez in this fight winning a not wide but clear decision possible ko in the late rounds(11, 12)...JMHO !!

 

GMONavarro

Good analysis but I must disagree with most of it. While JCC is better defensively than I give him credit for he's still not good enough to pose a problem for perhaps one of the most accurate puncher's in history like PBF. Pea used more movement but was often out of position to counter more than PBF was simply because of the way he bent at the waist and ducked. PBF's defense is better for countering than Pea's because he's in a better position by staying in the shoulder roll most of the time or in the pocket. Also PBF's reach advantage can't be overlooked. He would be able to hit JCC at range with his jab or straight right hand and either move out of the way or be in a defensive position to counter what ever JCC had in return. JCC could cut off the ring but in no way was his footwork superior to PBF's. PBF could stay on his bike for 12 rounds frustrating JCC if he wanted to and there's little he could do to stop it. Due to PBF's superior handspeed, reach and footwork. In the end I don't think PBF beats him easily, I think he beats him clearly which is a difference.

 

I agree with you and some of what Pimp C said. Chavez is a great fighter where Castillo is a good fighter. Castillo was actually Chavez's sparring partner. I believe PBF would and could win, but if we were to go back in time and PBF replaced Taylor. There is no way anyone can tell me PBF is not going to visit the emergency room. He would have taken a beating to the body and to the head. Chavez is a great fighter when it comes to cutting off the ring. The pressure would be the key to possibly Chavez winning. Chavez could win controversially due to Chavez being a HBO darling and PBF not being like by HBO. Chavez has a great chance of winning, but I want lean more on PBF winning by split decision. I really didn't like Chavez too much, but he was a beast and I respected his style of fighting. 140 down was his best weights. Pea would not have schooled him that night either. Yes, Chavez would have lost to Taylor within two more seconds, but damn did he put it on Taylor.