floyd vs 10 great ww

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  1. nip102

    nip102 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yes but it does in nearly every field of journalism but is there any proof that gbp have editorial control and have used it
     
    nip102, Jan 15, 2010
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  2. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You'll never see written proof, but the boss is the boss and whether he says it or not, you toe the line. It does happen a lot now-a-days in print and it really is a shame. The ethical values of the media in print and in film reporting have become abysmal and the reader is more the pity for it. Back in the day when Dave DeBausher owned "The Ring". they had a fifty person panel from around the globe who voted on the ratings every month. Now, it basically is just Collins and those at the rag. It is the same as you, me and five other guys choosing the ratings for all of boxing every month. It is bogus and no better than the alphabet groups. They all have their agendas and now, so too does "The Ring". Nat Fleisher would be turning over in his grave at the thought of a promoter owning his creation. And none of the great writers like, Smith, Cannon, Murray, Nagler, etc. would sit on their hands and not speak out against it. But, sadly, w/ boxing now basically a cult sport, noone cares. Well, us like it should.:viking
     
    The Morlocks, Jan 15, 2010
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  3. nip102

    nip102 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah agree with . Also i think we will both agree its a better magazine now then when Nat Loubet was editor. For money its ratings and belts are the best in the game.Also your wrong about there ratings board. Here is the full list
    Mark Abrams 15rounds.com
    Carlos Arias Orange County Register
    Eric Armit British Boxing Yearbook
    Bill Calogero thedailysports.com
    Nick Charles Showtime
    Brian Doogan London Sunday Times
    Coyote Duran doghouseboxing.com
    J. Michael Falgoust USA Today
    Steve Farhood Showtime
    Doug Fischer ringtv.com
    Margaret Goodman, M.D. secondsout.com
    Lee Groves CompuBox
    Jack Hirsch Boxing News
    Michael Hirsley Chicago Tribune
    Keith Idec Herald News of New Jersey
    Carlos Irusta El Grafico
    Ted Lerner The Ring
    Marc Lichtenfeld Through The Ropes
    Jessi Losado Telemundo
    Scott Mallon asianboxingnews.com
    Rich Marotta FSN-TV, KFI/KLAC Radio
    David Mayo Grand Rapids Press
    Barry McGuigan ITV
    Marty Mulcahey maxboxing.com
    Bernard Osuna Telefutura
    Vittorio Parisi nonsoloboxe.it
    Matt Richardson fightnews.com
    Cliff Rold ***********.com
    Michael Rosenthal ringtv.com
    Rick Scharmberg fightnews.com
    Don Steinberg The Philadelphia Inquirer
    Joe Tessitore ESPN
    Paul Upham Fist/FSN-TV
    Claude Vesque Wikipedia EditorCalvin Watkins Dallas Morning News
    John Whistler San Antonio Express News
    Phil Woolever Boxing Digest
    Kurt Wolfheimer fightnews.com
     
    nip102, Jan 15, 2010
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  4. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There is nothing that Floyd has done so far that makes me sure he can beat anyone of these men. Griffith was a little eratic and he could could drop a decision but Floyd has not fought in this level yet. I think he is very talented but if not proven at this level. The Delohoya fight was close and look what Manny did to that version of Delahoya
     
    Bummy Davis, Jan 15, 2010
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  5. mckay_89

    mckay_89 Haw you! Full Member

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    I think the Rings article is ****. However the last part of your post is a total lie. The 154lb Oscar who fought Floyd in May 07 is the same version who fought Pac at 147lbs in December 08? Really?? :patsch
     
    mckay_89, Jan 15, 2010
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  6. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would think not based on Delahoyas poor performance but I really did not think much of Floyd or Delahoya in that fight. I was not impressed with their effort. It was a money maker, little else
     
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  7. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I stand corrected. That is a good list. but the mag WAS better from 1970-79 under Fleisher till 72 and Loubet till 79. and from 79-84 under sugar. The coverage of the fights was worldwide and you even hread about the little club fights all over the world, with detailed descriptions from correspondants. They got in trouble w/ Don King' s corrupt tourney and thus ended the Nat Loubet-John Ort reign. But the mag itself was awesome. I always wonder nwhat happened to guys like Christopher Coats (I heard he was working out of Tex. but not sure. Rich Countis, Peter King of "KO" teaches at Hofstra University. He is not the same one from S.I. and NFL today.Steven Randel) and all the others. I have close to every Ring", "KO", World Boxing", "Intern. Boxing" from 70-85. ko from 80-85. they usedto be great and the two branches "THe Ring" and The others together under Stanley weston gave differing viewpoints. BUT they were NEVER owned by a promotor. IT just wouldn't happen. And if it did, they would of spoke up against it and condemned the mag that was.:viking
     
    The Morlocks, Jan 15, 2010
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  8. janitor

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    I think that some of the picks are a little optimistic given Floyds resume at welterweight.

    Do wins over Judah and Baldomir make you an all time great welterweight?

    If Mayweather can beat Mickey Walker then he ought to be ripping the heart out of the welterweight division right now.
     
    janitor, Jan 15, 2010
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  9. The Morlocks

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    YEah man, w/ that articles thinking, then since Hagler cut and Mayw. had skills, then he probably could move up and stop Marvin in 10 also.:thumbsup
     
    The Morlocks, Jan 16, 2010
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  10. Drew101

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    Nah. Aside from Floyd's defensive ability, he's shown an ability to absorb some clean, flush shots without really being that bothered by it. He's only been down once legitimately when Judah caught him with a counter right hook and caused him to touch the mat with his glove for a moment. Corley stung him briefly but as was the case with Judah, Floyd recovered quickly and went about his business.

    So, when you take into account this toughness, and take into consideration the fact that he'll likely be fighting defensively - especially if he begins to ship punishment, and I can see him making it to the finish line against both Sugars...Even though he doesn't win either of these match-ups in my opinion.
     
    Drew101, Jan 16, 2010
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  11. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mayweather gets wrecked by all of them.
     
    Maxmomer, Jan 16, 2010
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  12. nip102

    nip102 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    see Dougie Fischer complaining about this article on the rings site

    'As for the RING article that Iole mentioned, it’s in the February 2010 edition of the magazine that has Manny Pacquiao on the cover. It’s entitled: “Who would win and why: Floyd Mayweather vs. Ten All-time Welterweight Greats” and it’s written by Gavin Evans.

    I’ve read most of the articles in the issue, but not that one.

    The first matchup that Mr. Evans offered was Mayweather vs. Sugar Ray Robinson. I read about their Credentials, Physical Equipment, and Strengths and weaknesses, but the first sentence of the Outcome stated: “This would be a very tough fight for Robinson.”

    And that’s when I stopped reading.

    Sorry. I understand it’s Gavin’s opinion, and I know it’s shared by many of my peers who watch Mayweather box and really can’t conceive of anyone solving his defensive puzzle, but COME ON!

    The guy who went life and death with Jose Luis Castillo at lightweight would hold the greatest welterweight (and arguably the greatest fighter) of all time to “a close but unanimous decision”? I don’t think so.

    Mayweather was an incredible fighter at junior lightweight, but he almost lost to Castillo at lightweight. He was buzzed by DeMarcus Corley at junior welter. He had a competitive fight Zab Judah at welterweight. He narrowly out-pointed a faded Oscar De La Hoya at junior middleweight. There’s no point in wondering how he would have fared against all-time greats like Robinson, Armstrong, Kid Gavilan, Carmen Basilio, Emile Griffith, and Charley Burley, who either held the middleweight world title or competed with the best 160 ponders of their eras.

    Hell, I saw a journeyman, Emanuel Burton/Augustus, bloody his nose and take his best punches in a lightweight bout for God’s sake.

    If you want to read an interesting mythical matchup article on Mayweather it shouldn’t involve the all-time greats. One should be done on the fighters he didn’t face during the previous decade: Joel Casamayor at junior lightweight, Steve Johnston at lightweight, Kostya Tszyu at junior welterweight and Antonio Margarito at welterweight.'
     
    nip102, Jan 18, 2010
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  13. McGrain

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    Yeah, some of the picks in that article made me want to throw up. How many fighters has Floyd stopped on cuts? Because apparently he manages this with legends Mickey Walker and Mantaquilla. FFS. Pitiful.
     
    McGrain, Jan 18, 2010
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  14. Flea Man

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    He beats none of them.
     
    Flea Man, Jan 18, 2010
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  15. Shake

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    Mikey Walker : floyd tko 10 cuts

    Mikey Walker : floyd tko 10 cuts

    Mikey Walker : floyd tko 10 cuts
     
    Shake, Jan 18, 2010
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