Floyd vs Baldomir or Pacquiao vs Clottey?

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  1. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    I think Mayweather regrets how the Baldomir fight turned out (ie his reluctance to knock the **** out of Baldo) but now we see him openly admit that he's looking to stand in the middle of the ring and go toe to toe if needed.
     
  2. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Poor mans version of Cotto? They fight nothing alike. What made the difference was Arum had a fight with Pac lined up for Cotto and Clottey was just supposed to be a warmup.

    Cotto was being walked down all night, outlanded, and the best he could do was try to win hustle points by hitting Clottey's gloves and arms while backing up. Thats not winning in boxing.
     
  3. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Baldomir was clearly the bigger win as it was for the lineal championship, and he just came off a win unlike Clottey coming off a loss and somehow getting another title shot his next fight after. Clottey probably was the better fighter, just couldn't perform at the top level when necessary..
     
  4. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    First I heard about it.

    The only fight mayweather regrets was the oscar fight, he still upset that he didn't punish him more, but he had these big ass pillows on his hands. I think this has more to do with it being the biggest fight in ppv history and when people watch it in the future the fight sucked big time.
     
  5. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    It's more to do with how he speaks about his fight plans these days, since the Mosley fight he's always promised to come to fight ie no pot shotting and moving, I think he's looking at a special end to his career as his hand problems arn't as bad as they used to be so now he's looking at add some nice KO's to his resume.
     
  6. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Vernon Forrest threw everything at Baldomir and could barely wobble him.

    Baldomir was featherfisted and slow. What got him to that level was his chin and tenacity. No way was mayweather going to KO him, especially once he hurt his hand.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm0OZJ-IXz8[/ame]
     
  7. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If the other guy coming forward isn't landing and Clottey wasn't landing anything in the later rounds, than the guy who's throwing more punches and that was cotto, is the guy you give the rounds too. That's just common sense. Doesn't matter if his blocking punches with his gloves, he's getting outworked. Clottey connect percentage dropped because of Cotto consistent lateral side to side movement and him fighting off the back foot.

    Now the diffference in when Cotto tried to do that against Pacquaio, it didn't work because of Pac's explosive offense, and that's why it didn't work against him.(Pac is probably one of the greatest offensive fighters in history) And yes, Clottey is a poor mans version of Cotto, Cotto can do everything Clottey does, but better. Cotto has a good double high guard as well,(except his does it in variation) but his offense is better than Clotteys, His jab is better than Clottey's, his counterpunching is better than Clottey's, and his workrate is better than Clottey's. Now if you can't see it, than you need to open your eyes because if they fight again, Cotto beats him even worse in the rematch, and you know it.
     
  8. JMP

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    Clottey arguably beat Cotto less than a year before losing to Pacquiao - a far better fighter than anybody Baldomir beat prior to losing to Mayweather. Ring magazine titles don't swing this in Mayweather's way.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Obviously Floyd's over Baldomir.

    Yes, Clottey is probably the better fighter than Baldomir looking purely at h2h ability - but on these specific nights Baldomir tried to put up a fight, and Clottey didn't.

    Baldomir was also on a good run of form and was lineal champ. Clottey hadn't really done **** all of significance.
     
  10. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    That's because he doesn't like Oscar. Explains it below

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OgdznvnDXA#t=2m30s

    #TheMoneyTeam
     
  11. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Like it or not, Baldomir was the WW lineal champion. That's a big deal.

    Clottey entered the Pac fight as the #6 WW, according to the RING.
     
  12. papadoc28

    papadoc28 Boxing Addict banned

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    Both fights were snooze inducing, but the better win is Floyd over Baldomir.

    -Baldomir was the lineal champ at the time.
    -If I remember correctly he was on a 9 year unbeaten streak.
    -At the time no one was calling his run a fluke. He was getting nothing but praise for his toughness and tenacity.


    Clottey is a better fighter but...............

    -He always came up short in his most important fights excluding the mental midget Judah.
    -Wasn't even near the top ranking in the division.
    -Didn't even try to put up a fight in the most important fight of his life which in my opinion is completely unforgivable. Pac even made him look stupid by doing that infamous double-punch which was a sign that he had stopped taking him seriously.
     
  13. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    He broke his hand and Baldomir's chin is pure iron, even Forrest couldn't dent it
     
  14. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Im actually surprised with your answer cuz I have it Floyd over Baldo.

    If it was just by name and skill level with titles not a factor I'd agree but Baldo had the lineal title with him too so that helps in legacy as well
     
  15. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Clottey is a better fighter.