Floyd vs Oscar and Shane and the "asset book" of the PBF camp

Emeritus · Jun 21, 2010

Oh No not another idiot poster on ESB! This place is being overan!

Primadonna Kool · Jun 21, 2010

Exactabox said: ↑

Don't think anybody would argue Shane and Oscar were the 2 best the Floyd has faced. What is very interesting about these two fights is that in both Floyd could have lost as easily as he won. Against Oscar he was not throwing enough punches to keep Oscar from rallying and vs Shane he was nearly knocked out before Shane stopped attacking. Floyd did not have either fighter hurt.

Now look at Manny vs Oscar - Oscar did not even have a prayer.
Manny vs Cotto (who beat Shane) Cotto hit Manny better than Shane hit Floyd and Manny did not even flinch and put a whooping on Cotto.

Floyd had some problems with these two because they both have left hooks which makes it harder to defend than facing the typical one two fighter. he has avoided multi dimensional fighters his entire career and replaced facing them with his trash talk and marketing.

The fact that the in the last 5 MP fights ZERO of his opponents had any shot of any other outcome except for being demolished.

If Floyd had serious knockout power to bring to the table it would be a different story. Mark my words there is no way he will fight Manny. Manny has the whole page on the checklist of assets Mayweather avoids to secure his undefeated record. It is a stylistic nightmare for Floyd and after getting rocked vs a Mosley who had only about 50% of his sharpness on his punches and a history of ducking the dangerous why would this time be any different? Floyd is concocting a plan to face 2-3 more fighters that fit the mold for him to get an easy decision or who will walk straight in for his counters. The con job is over me. After Manny received the fighter of the decade and seeing Floyd out on his feet vs Shane I can close the book with Manny forever above the name Floyd Mayweather.
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The worst thing Shane Mosley did against Floyd Mayweather, was hurt him and catch him with a punch...........but not being able to capitilize on it and finish Mayweather.

This deeply insulted Mayweather, and Shane Mosley was in for a beating from that point onwards. Shane Mosley did'nt stop punching, he was just getting the **** beat out of him.....

And Shane Mosley was hurt..! Mayweather hurt Mosley more than Cotto did..!!!

fighter86 · Jun 21, 2010

shut up...... thread stinks.

hagman1989 · Jun 21, 2010

this is a truly terrible thread

floyd beat a faded oscar but he still beat him
manny beat a shot and weight drained oscar

floyd got hit hard and i mean hard vs mosley but he stopped the attack dead in its tracks by grabbing and smothering his work and was back on the attack by the end of the round
manny beat a still game but sorta broken man is cotto , but i see cotto winning a close one pre margarito too so its no harm

Don Q · Jun 21, 2010

Exactabox said: ↑

Don't think anybody would argue Shane and Oscar were the 2 best the Floyd has faced. What is very interesting about these two fights is that in both Floyd could have lost as easily as he won. Against Oscar he was not throwing enough punches to keep Oscar from rallying and vs Shane he was nearly knocked out before Shane stopped attacking. Floyd did not have either fighter hurt.

Now look at Manny vs Oscar - Oscar did not even have a prayer.
Manny vs Cotto (who beat Shane) Cotto hit Manny better than Shane hit Floyd and Manny did not even flinch and put a whooping on Cotto.

Floyd had some problems with these two because they both have left hooks which makes it harder to defend than facing the typical one two fighter. he has avoided multi dimensional fighters his entire career and replaced facing them with his trash talk and marketing.

The fact that the in the last 5 MP fights ZERO of his opponents had any shot of any other outcome except for being demolished.

If Floyd had serious knockout power to bring to the table it would be a different story. Mark my words there is no way he will fight Manny. Manny has the whole page on the checklist of assets Mayweather avoids to secure his undefeated record. It is a stylistic nightmare for Floyd and after getting rocked vs a Mosley who had only about 50% of his sharpness on his punches and a history of ducking the dangerous why would this time be any different? Floyd is concocting a plan to face 2-3 more fighters that fit the mold for him to get an easy decision or who will walk straight in for his counters. The con job is over me. After Manny received the fighter of the decade and seeing Floyd out on his feet vs Shane I can close the book with Manny forever above the name Floyd Mayweather.
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My only advice to you is please do yourself a favor and DO NOT bet any money if this fight happens. You'll probably lose it.

Exactabox · Jun 21, 2010

BewareofDawg said: ↑

All that happened was one of his opponents had success with the jab early, Floyd adjusted and took that weapon away. Then another one of his opponents stunned him, he recovered and proceeded to dominate the rest of the fight.

Why don't you mention how JMM schooled Pac TWICE and stunned him in the second fight with a lunging left hook? Oh thats right, because you are a twat
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OK because you can't read. The whole point is that from those fights with JMM and other losses he has improved every facet of his game.
I was talking about his last 5 fights. Did he fight JMM in his last 5 ?
Just accept that Floyd can never beat the likes of Manny and would get knocked out vs. Shane, Tszu in their prime.

Exactabox · Jun 21, 2010

Don Q said: ↑

My only advice to you is please do yourself a favor and DO NOT bet any money if this fight happens. You'll probably lose it.
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If they fight which it will never happen because Floyd's chin could not hold up I will make the largest bet I ever made in my life on Manny by KO.

Scratch2win28 · Jun 21, 2010

Exactabox said: ↑

If they fight which it will never happen because Floyd's chin could not hold up I will make the largest bet I ever made in my life on Manny by KO.
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Yeah right stop lying!!!:rofl

Davew430 · Jun 21, 2010

Exactabox said: ↑

I will make the largest bet I ever made in my life on Manny by KO.
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I hope your wife know's your planning to make her homeless

Exactabox · Jun 21, 2010

Scratch2win28 said: ↑

Yeah right stop lying!!!:rofl
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Best prophet for the future is the past.
These were some of the best fighters during Floyd's career and all offered an exciting matchup for the sport. How many did Floyd fight?

Cotto
Casamayor
Margarito
Manny
Tszu

hagman1989 · Jun 21, 2010

Exactabox said: ↑

If they fight which it will never happen because Floyd's chin could not hold up I will make the largest bet I ever made in my life on Manny by KO.
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no chance

does manny it harder than shane? is he stronger than shane? so if he staggers floyd like shane did can he push floyd off and get his work done?

Exactabox · Jun 21, 2010

hagman1989 said: ↑

no chance

does manny it harder than shane? is he stronger than shane? so if he staggers floyd like shane did can he push floyd off and get his work done?
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Once again Floyd had to wait for the perfect scenario with everything in his favor to fight. That is why so many people believe either Floyd is ducking Manny or will get KO'ed.

Shane fight should have happened ten years before. He was off an 18 month layoff came in the ring tired and still took Floyd to a place he has never been. That would never have happened if PBF faced the higher caliber of fighter he ducked throughout his whole career. Floyd has stayed right under that level of dangerous opponents. Mosley De La Hoya both near retirement. He has never beaten a top level threat in the prime.
Too many names, the numbers don't lie. The record tells the story of how his fights are chosen. No top threats. If they are a top threat wait till they are almost retired so they fall right below that category.

Cotto
Casamayor
Margarito
Manny
Tszu

Davew430 · Jun 21, 2010

Exactabox said: ↑

Shane fight should have happened ten years before. He was off an 18 month layoff came in the ring tired and still took Floyd to a place he has never been.
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I agree the fight should of happened year's ago. Right, if that fight had of happened 10 year's ago, i don't think Shane would of landed that punch what hurt Floyd. If 10 year ago they fought Shane would of came into the fight with a whole new approach, tried to outbox Floyd more, etc. When they did fight, Shane new the only hope he had was coming in and landing a huge shot, and hoping Floyd folded, he nearly did... but did'nt. So in my opinion, all this bull**** about "Mosley would of finished him off 10 year's ago" is bull****, yes maybe he would of, but 10 year ago, Shane would'nt of come looking for the KO like he did

Leon · Jun 21, 2010

Davew430 said: ↑

I hope your wife know's your planning to make her homeless
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It's okay. She'll murder him to collect the life insurance money being his beneficiary.

Toontoon · Jun 21, 2010

Exactabox said: ↑

Once again Floyd had to wait for the perfect scenario with everything in his favor to fight. That is why so many people believe either Floyd is ducking Manny or will get KO'ed.

Shane fight should have happened ten years before. He was off an 18 month layoff came in the ring tired and still took Floyd to a place he has never been. That would never have happened if PBF faced the higher caliber of fighter he ducked throughout his whole career. Floyd has stayed right under that level of dangerous opponents. Mosley De La Hoya both near retirement. He has never beaten a top level threat in the prime.
Too many names, the numbers don't lie. The record tells the story of how his fights are chosen. No top threats. If they are a top threat wait till they are almost retired so they fall right below that category.

Cotto
Casamayor
Margarito
Manny
Tszu
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10 years ago Mayweather was a Super Featherweight and Mosley was a Welterweight.

Tsyzu had already quit against Hatton before Mayweather had won a title at 140 so how much credit would he get for fighting him then?

Casamayor and Mayweather were only at the same weight briefly and Floyd had already beaten the best at SFW and LW who both beat Casa so what would you expect him to do against Floyd?

The only fight he should have taken which he didn't was Cotto, I wouldn't rule that fight out before Mayweather retires either.

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