Floyd will once again make history if he beats Maidana!

Ortiz and Guerrero earned that WBC title belt in the ring, not given to them. U can Cotto's was a paper title but he was the #1 ranked 154 fighter even without the title.

yes Mosley wins is over all of those

 

That is just IMO, i.e. my personal definition of "paper champs". If you got your belt from weak opposition, then you are a paper champ.
Cotto is a good JMW, even ranking aside, I just don't see him of champion caliber in that weight. See what happened when he faced a legit JMW in Trout. But that's just me. His career is not done yet and I'm a big fan of the Rican so we'll see. Maybe he can shock the world by defeating Martinez.

 

If he wins he will hold:

RING/WBC/WBA at Welterweight
+
RING/WBC/WBA at Junior Middleweight

...belts mean close to nothing, but that includes lineal titles which, still hold meaning. Impressive in that it has never been done before and you'd sort of just assume/think it would have.

 

Berto, regardless of how horribly he has dropped off, was a top WW. He may have been a "paper titlist" at heart or in skill but he actually deserved to be seen as just a "titlist," as to me that insinuates a top 4 fighter (one for each sanctioning body, yes?), which Berto was and at an awkward time of the rankings, Ortiz leapfrogged to after his battle over Berto. Everybody ranked Ortiz #3 behind only Pacquiao and Floyd at that time.

People calling 2013 Robert Guerrero a "tune up," "cupcake fight," or "irrelevant victory" must have amazingly ridiculous standards and rank very few fighters in the sport highly at all. He was in everyone's top 5 at WW.

How are you going to call Cotto a "true champ at WW though" but not at JMW? He won his WW belts from vacancy over Carlos Quintana, a good win, and then Michael Jennings, a horrible opponent to fight for a vacant title. At least the JMW title had a lineage of Yuri Foreman-Daniel Santos-Joachim Alcine-Travis Simms-etc. Take it for what it's worth. He had a higher claim as "a champion" at WW because Quintana-Judah-Mosley. But the JMW belt he scooped is better than the second one at WW from Jennings... It just doesn't make sense what you said. Cotto was rated by most as #1 at JMW heading into the Floyd fight and top 3 by everyone.


Don't people want and are rarely treated to a great fighter that faces top 5 or 3 ranked opponents in their divisions fight after fight? Floyd has done that in every fight since 2005, with the two exceptions including lighter weight fighters on consensus P4P Top 10 lists.

 

:good

 

Actually in September '81 when Sugar Ray Leonard fought his first fight against unbeaten Tommy Hearns to unify the WBC/WBA Welterweight Championships Leonard was the holder of two Ring Magazine Championship belts going in as he was the defending 2-time WBC Ring Magazine Welterweight Champion and he was also the WBA Ring Magazine Jr. Middleweight Champion at 154 following his 9th round tko victory over the undefeated rugged Ugandan southpaw Ayube Kalule which was 3-months before Leonard-Hearns1.

 

Cherry pick of the decade.

Maidana ain't ****.

Void is scared of Khan.

 

what attributes does khan bring please? he is not a master boxer, has no inside skills , no variety, poor footwork, iq!

 

I have always called Berto a hype job. This was even before he was exposed by Ortiz and I still hold that standard today. Berto is a hype job. And I was right. Deal with it.

Guerrero, before fighting Floyd, only had 2 fights at WW: an Interim title bout against a certain "Aydin" and that fight against hype job Berto. If you think that gives you license to be called among the best in WW, then go ahead. Don't expect me to lower my standards though. It was a weak WW division afterall.

Cotto,as you've already pointed out, has the following defining wins in WW: Quintana, Judah, MOSLEY, Jennings (agreed a so-so title) and a highly rated Clottey at the time. I don't know if you lived through that time but with the exception of Jennings, those were pretty solid wins against QUALITY opposition. And just in case you missed it, having near prime Judah, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Clottey in WW makes it a strong division.

Compare that to getting a title against an INJURED Foreman (did you even watch this bout?) a battered and permanently disabled Margarito and then losing horribly to a legit JMW in Trout, then I think it's fairly easy to see that he was a weak champion in JMW. At least he lost to a legend in Manny Pacquiao in WW. He was rated high in JMW because it was a weak division at the time. That's pretty much it.

I'm not sure what your agenda is, but if it is to ride the ***** parade by trying to make Cotto a legit champ at 154, then be my guest.
You will never be a better follower and fan of Cotto than I am, but even I have the guts to admit that he was a weak 154lb-er champion.

And no, "rated fighters" mean **** if they are Ortizes and Guereros or a 154lb version of Cotto. Mosley was legit. Canelo was ok but legit. Maidana is the same as Ortiz.
Pacquiao is what the people was clamoring for. And just recently, people wanted to see Khan. But noooo, we get Maidana.
I would watch and pay for Pacquiao-JMM over and over again than see Mayweather take a fight against a "rated" fighter who just happens to be Ortiz or Maidana.

But that's just me, I just happen to have "ridiculously high standards". And those set of standards happen to dictate to me that the only real fights that FMJ should take is Pacquiao at WW or Martinez at a catchweight. If he wants to take a tune up fight then take someone like Khan who could at least bother him with speed. Canelo was a step towards the right direction. But that's it.

 

Speed. You know, one of the things that actually bother FMJ?
I'm not saying Khan has a chance at beating Floyd, but he can at least make it competitive in the early rounds unlike someone like Maidana.

 

And in response to my own quote and with no disrespect to either Floyd "Money" Mayweather, Sugar Ray Leonard or Joe Calzaghe, all whom I have a high respect for as fighters and persons in and out of the ring, the greatest multi belt division champion of all time would have to be none other than former 3-time division champion "Hammerin" Henry Armstrong who held a total of 3 Ring Magazine titles at the same time by simultaneously winning the Ring Magazine Featherweight, Ring Magazine Welterweight and Ring Magazine Lightweight belts all in a time span of 2 and a half years.