YOu can't and won't because you're a chicken **** and you know it'll make you go against what you said to Sweet Pea. :deal DLH vs. Tito DLH vs. Ike DLH vs. Whitaker Chavez vs. Whitaker. C'mon you little *****, tell me who you thought won them. Or you can tell us all what you have 5 Masters degrees in...:rofl:rofl
by skills, of all the guys at 140 that fought at that weight in the modern era pryor looked unbeatable followed by floyd. I don't get into resume's since people's opinions vary from era to era. In my lifetime pryor and floyd were the best at 140
Armstrong was still good at 147, but not the machine he was at lower weight classes. He beat several contenders while defending the title 15+ times at 147. This is the list I've done for Welterweights.. This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected
I got Aaron Pryor over Kosta Tsyu. I cannot put Tsyu over him at all. Pryor beat arguello twice and stopped him twice. That far exceeds anything Tsyu has done in the ring. Arguello was a GREAT fighter.
If you're basing it on YOUR life time, why does the thread say ATG? Do you know whay ALL TIME MEANS? And why did you list Duran, Arguello, Pryor, Sanchez (Wrong weight class dumbass!!) or Nelson since they are obviously BEFORE your time? I guess consistency isn't your thing is it. And if consistency is too big a word for you, let me know. I'll dumb it down to your level.
Kosta Tsyu gets put too much on a pedestal and he did not beat the caliber fighters of Chavez or Pryor. Kosta has the weakest resume of any p4p fighter to me.
Good list, but Donald Curry? Curry didn't really do anything significant @ 147 IMHO. And no Tito? :huh
1. Kostya was an excellent fighter. His era at 140 was far better than Pryor's era. In fact, I think that the 80s Light Welterweights was a weak era. 2. Kostya cleaned his division. Pryor didn't. Kostya beat much more contenders of his own era. 3. Arguello was past his prime and fighting at a division in which he should not have been fighting. Arguello's best was at 126 and 130.
Tito over oscar at 147. Even though Oscar beat him for real. But still. He was there longer and he beat pernell up and ODH got a gift. ODH lost to mosley at 147 and he was coming up from 135 so that deducts points right there. B/c Forrest came behind him and dethroned mosley just as fast as he was crowned.
Nothing at 147? :-( :-( He was the man at 147 for a while, many think he would not be beaten. He unified the division and defended his title. He was at the top of that division during 4 years, but I think he did enough to be the successor of Leonard and deserve a good ranking. I might have overlooked Tito...he could be between the #10 and #15.
Sweat Pea that is one thing I disagree with you on. I remember the SHANE DAYS. When Shane was the truth at 135 and his only criticism was when he was going to fight somebody on his level. The 135 Shane era was soft as hell. And I was really a Shane hater at that point in time(when he jumped up to fight odh I let all of that go) :yep Floyd by far fought better fighters coming up from 130-135. There are no if ands or buts on that one. Floyd dominateted everyone at 130 the same as Shane. You cannot give Shane the nudge there.
Until the moment, I have Floyd ranked.. #1 at 130. Top25 at 135. Top25 at 140. I haven't decided where to rank him at 147. Things could change if he defeats Hatton and Cotto/Mosley winner. He doesn't deserve a ranking at 154 just because of one fight. But I think beating De la Hoya is better than Whitaker's win over Julio Cesar Vasquez.
I'm not saying he didn't do any good. I said anything really significant. Aside from defeating Marlon Starling, his reign was rather average.
WTF you called it ATG status!!! Now its just your lifetime? Also, your system is flawed. A mediocre fighter can look unbeatable against inferior competition. That doesnt make them great. :hey Finaly, you were using resume earlier in the thread, comparing Floyds agianst SSM“s, correct???? Now that it doesnt fit your case your criteria has changed. :-(
:deal I don't rate the old-timers since I have never seen them fight..so all things considered I like to focus on the great fighters of my era. IF you want to add the old-timers to YOUR list go right ahead. are you calling floyd mayweather jr. mediocre:hat what the **** are you inspector gadget the shane vs floyd argument is moot on any level. floyd had the better skills at 135 and the better resume any way spin it it comes back to floyd as the greater fighter at 135:deal I never set criteria for anyone to follow, nor do I have to make a case to someone like you, a self avowed floyd hater:deal