Floyd's ATG Status by Weight Class!

bigtime9 · Aug 7, 2007

I already did.

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yeah sure you did, how come I can't find it:rofl why don't you post it again:deal

The criteria was that you were only using video evidence measuring skill to determine whom could beat whom.

Now you are saying PBF would get into the top 5 at WW by beating Hatton and the Cotto/Mosley winner. But you have no way of knowing how he will look. So you are basing this on RESUME. The very thing you said you weren't using.

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please find the post where I stated what you typed above. you must be the son of an uncle whose father was his brother:deal

You also used SRR when you have not seen 3 fights of his at WW. You saw him fighting MW. No matter how you slice it, fighting a guy over 147 means you are fighting at MW if its 160 or under but over 147.

Both are contradictions.

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go buy the dvd and watch the fights, there are five on there that show him at welterweight:deal go to boxrec and verify I have posted the links:hi:
And we won't even get into how you rated Sanchez at SFW. He was a FW.

C Money · Aug 7, 2007

kg0208 said:

Robinson weighs 147 no doubt. But he is not fighting AT WW. The fighters weighed more than WW in all but 2 cases.

We all KNOW based on resumes and accounts that SRR is the best at 147. But you aren't using that.

If he is fighting a MW, then you can't judge how he would look against a WW. You are assuming he will look as good, and history says he looks better actually. But YOU don't want to use that.

It's simple really....a WW fight is 136-147 in his day. If one fighter weighs more than 147, its a MW fight.
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Ever wonder if Floyd could go to 75 and beat Hopkins?? Since SRR went to LHW and by today's 12 round standards would have beat the then LH Champ Joey Maxim????

bigtime9 · Aug 7, 2007

WOW!!! What a thread of ****!!!

A few thoughts.... ***time love's vagina's cuz he is one, Shiteato is a manic-depressive that goes both way's, and PBF couldnt swing on SRR's NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, BTW?? ***time??

Ever hear of Henry Armstrong?? ****ing Floyd's worst nightmare at 30, 35?? Considering Floyd ducked Spadafora (because he got thumped in the gym) you're out ya damn mind, and 47??? SRR would beat Floyd any day of the week and TWICE on Sunday's:good
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and here you are in this thread of **** no-money, spouting more ****. Join the party I have plenty of **** to go around:deal

Lance_Uppercut · Aug 7, 2007

carlito32 said:

well being that you live in Alaska where it is freezing you probably dont get out much and you have 14, 000 posts , so i think most of your friend are from ESB..

EXCEPT ME OFOURSE, cuz were though :deal
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14,000 since '04. You're point? You're posting more a day then I am.

How convenient (and utterly ignorant as well) to try and paint a picture of what you THINK i am like and act as if it's true. I guess I could try to say what you do, but I don't know anything about you. So I would sound just as ****in ridiculous are you now.

I don't think anyone here is a friend. But I certainly wouldn't call everyone enemies either. Time to grow up kid...:deal

C Money · Aug 7, 2007

bigtime9 said:

and here you are in this thread of **** no-money, spouting more ****. Join the party I have plenty of **** to go around:deal
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Yea, we KNOW YOU DO!!!

I did, and you got **** to say in response other than... I got alotta ****

bigtime9 · Aug 7, 2007

Robinson weighs 147 no doubt.
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oh so you admit you are wrong...typical backsliding

But he is not fighting AT WW. The fighters weighed more than WW in all but 2 cases.

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go watch the dvd:admin

We all KNOW based on resumes and accounts that SRR is the best at 147. But you aren't using that.

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this thread is not about ray robsinon, now that you have admitted defeat like a good little ***** crawl your ass back to the classics forums if you want to talk about this.

If he is fighting a MW, then you can't judge how he would look against a WW. You are assuming he will look as good, and history says he looks better actually. But YOU don't want to use that.

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go watch the DVD:deal

It's simple really....a WW fight is 136-147 in his day. If one fighter weighs more than 147, its a MW fight.
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yeah right, you are too dumb for stupid:thumbsup

bigtime9 · Aug 7, 2007

Ever wonder if Floyd could go to 75 and beat Hopkins?? Since SRR went to LHW and by today's 12 round standards would have beat the then LH Champ Joey Maxim????
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what weight did floyd start at, oh let me guess 130 and what weight did ray start at oh right 147:deal surely your broke ass can do better than this

Lance_Uppercut · Aug 7, 2007

carlito32 said:

if no one in here are your freinds, then you have no friends. period.

if you say sorry. we can be friends and maybe go to a fight or get ice cream or pick up some chics. but you gotta aplogize first.

waiting:think
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I have no friends? Thanks for the news flash. :roll:

C Money · Aug 7, 2007

carlito32 said:

SRR was 5'11..

He had the frame to do so. you are PURELY hating. C-donkey
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128-1-2.

More hate I guess!!!!

Lets see SRL was 5'10 and beat Hearns at 6'1, DLH 5'10 and a half took on Hopkins 6,1 and Floyd beat DLH didnt he??

Here's one 4 ya, Sam Langford was 5'6 and a half who went from welter to HW and had 200 wins.

So, WTF ARE YOU SAYING??

No need to explain, we already UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!

C Money · Aug 7, 2007

carlito32 said:

were any of those fights at light heavy?????????

if so how many...?
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You said he didnt HAVE THE FRAME to face Hopkins, Shiteato!!!

DLH did and I threw a few other examples of FRAME in there for reference sake.

Clearly, you say whatever **** pops in you're melon that you feel sounds nice but give little analysis to the substance and meaning of such:yep :yep

Here's another our bisexual manic depressant,

Montell Griffin at 5'7

You dont have enough **** in you're pants to come this way, and YOU KNOW BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bigtime9 · Aug 7, 2007

were any of those fights at light heavy?????????

if so how many...?
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damn carlito you just spit that apple in that fool's face

bigtime9 · Aug 7, 2007

You said he didnt HAVE THE FRAME to face Hopkins, Shiteato!!!

DLH did and I threw a few other examples of FRAME in there for reference sake.

Clearly, you say whatever **** pops in you're melon that you feel sounds nice but give little analysis to the substance and meaning of such:yep :yep

Here's another our bisexual manic depressant,

Montell Griffin at 5'7

You dont have enough **** in you're pants to come this way, and YOU KNOW BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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are you implying that floyd who has fought 71% of his fights at 130 should go up to middle and lightheavy like ray robinson. do you have trichinosis:huh

C Money · Aug 7, 2007

carlito32 said:

what weight class did montel start out at?

dont worry ill wait

C-MONOPOLY MONEY
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Wait til you're genitals fall off!!

You said frame and brought up that SRR wa 5'11 as if that precluded Floyd from doing the same in facing a 6'1 LH as Maxim was and Hopkins is.

Now I've given you numerous examples of smaller guy's facing taller guys at different weights and all you do is what you usually do, twist like a worm and search for a way out!!!

Too late Shiteato, you're on the hook, still wriggling, and that breeze is that backflip and soon you'll be in deep water waiting to be eaten

kg0208 · Aug 7, 2007

bigtime9 said:

yeah sure you did, how come I can't find it:rofl why don't you post it again:deal

please find the post where I stated what you typed above. you must be the son of an uncle whose father was his brother:deal

go buy the dvd and watch the fights, there are five on there that show him at welterweight:deal go to boxrec and verify I have posted the links:hi:
And we won't even get into how you rated Sanchez at SFW. He was a FW.
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Posts where you state the criteria:

but for me I like to focus on fighters in the modern era where I can see their accomplishments. Not knocking the old-timers but footage is very scarce so many times you get word of mouth, and I don't rate fighters on word of mouth.
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that's my rule. since I have never seen the old timers go at it How can I compare them to todays fighters. of course you have nutmunchers who will swear this old-timer was the best ever by watching one old grainy fight:deal
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go back and look at my list do you see any old-timers on it, there is no way a benny leonard or joe gans would be on my list unless I have seen them fight and I haven't.
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so the argument is mute whn it comes to the oldies I haven't seen them and unless I get a dvd with a set of them for christmas I don't care to listen to tall-tales about how good they were coming from guys born in the last 25 years.
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by skills, of all the guys at 140 that fought at that weight in the modern era pryor looked unbeatable followed by floyd. I don't get into resume's since people's opinions vary from era to era. In my lifetime pryor and floyd were the best at 140
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not one mention is made of accomplsihments, it is based on who I think demonstrated the most skill and would have been the toughest to beat at that weight. that is my definition of an ATG the baddest mother ****er in his weight class and you work your way down.
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Then you said

* If floyd gets through hatton and beats the winner of shane/cotto then I will place him number 4 all-time at 147
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That is a contradiction. You are making that statement based on resume when you CLEARLY state you are NOT basing things on accomplishments or resume. Are you telling me you are making that statement on how PBF looks in those fights? Because you have no idea how he will look.

bigtime9 · Aug 7, 2007

i OWNED HIM BIGTIME STYLE :smoke
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no-money is a lightweight you could kick his ass any day of the week all he does is make up corny names, the guy is a douche bag.

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