Floyd's ATG Status by Weight Class!

Just off the top of my head...

SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT
1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Alexis Arguello
3. Azumah Nelson
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Sandy Saddler
HM: Kid Chocolate, Flash Elorde, Samuel Serrano, Bobby Chacon, Johnny Dundee, Benny Bass

LIGHTWEIGHT
1. Benny Leonard
2. Roberto Duran
3. Joe Gans
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Pernell Whitaker
HM: Ike Williams, Carlos Ortiz, Tony Canzoneri, Alexis Arguello, Jack Blackburn, Lou Ambers, Julio Cesar Chavez, Battling Nelson

LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Aaron Pryor
3. Kostya Tszyu
4. Antonio Cervantes
5. Nicolino Locche
HM: Barney Ross, Jack Kid Berg, Duilio Loi, Ricky Hatton, Wilfred Benitez, Tony Canzoneri, Eddie Perkins

WELTERWEIGHT
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Jose Napoles
5. Emile Griffith
HM: Barbados Joe Walcott, Kid Gavilan, Thomas Hearns, Barney Ross, Pernell Whitaker, Mickey Walker, Jimmy McLarnin

 

I base it on a mixture of overall talent and accomplishments, but if I were to sit down and really think about it, I would fix them up a bit since I made these lists quickly off the top of my head. I am thinking of putting together a list based on accomplishments for each weight class as well as a list based head to head.

As far as lightweights, I have some real trouble ranking them because Duran's wins over Buchanan and De Jesus twice were excellent, but otherwise, his wins aren't overly impressive and lack the big names on it of, say, Benny Leonard. But head to head, I think he was the best. Clearly, Benny Leonard and Carlos Ortiz have beaten the better fighters at lightweight and Whitaker and Armstrong's resume at lightweight are stellar as well. Any given day, I might have Duran #1, Gans #1, Whitaker #1, Armstrong #1 or Leonard #1. I've never had a concrete list set in stone.

As far as the welterweights go, I'm sure about the 1st two, but I'm undecided on the rest of them.

 

They are better than your lists:deal

Salvador Sanchez number 3 at 130? Great pick

No Henry Armstrong or Benny Leonard on your lightweight list?

Floyd Mayweather Jr number 3 at lightweight for beating Castillo twice,Victoriano Sosa, and Phillip N'dou?

And Floyd in the top 3 at 140...for what? Beating The Great Gatti, Henry Bruseles, and DeMarcus Corley?

 

I have seen more than 25% of these guys fight. I have studied their resumes and the guys that they have defeated. I trust the people who have seen them in action and I see all of the hall of famers these guys defeated.

Take Harry Greb for instance. There is no footage of him, but the people who did see him fight say he had a workrate of Henry Armstrong and the speed of Sugar Ray Robinson...those people saw all 3 of them in action, so I think they are justified in writing that. He beat 10 or so hall of famers, several of which we do have footage of, so you would have to rank him at middleweight despite having virtually no footage of him.

I have seen several fights of Benny Leonard and Henry Armstrong at lightweight on video. Not as impressive to me on film as Whitaker and Duran, but impressive and their resumes are greater than Floyd's at lightweight:deal

He was 4-0 at lightweight, but Sosa and N'dou were no great fighters. Castillo was very good, but he was not a truly great fighter as other Latin lightweights (Chavez, Arguello, and Ortiz) were. When you say "only fighter that comes close at 135 is castillo and corrales," are you suggesting that they are the only fighters comparable, resume-wise, to Floyd in recent times or all time?

First off, Floyd Mayweather UD12 Ricky Hatton...at 140 or 147. Period.

Secondly, I would favor Aaron Pryor and Pernell Whitaker over Floyd at 140. I will not mention Armstrong or Duran because he never won a title at 140. Chavez to me is a toss-up because Castillo (a poor man's Chavez) gave Floyd real difficulty in the first fight and boxers like Meldrick Taylor and Pernell Whitaker gave Chavez difficult times. Then you can say that Chavez beat a fast boxer in Hector Camacho and wore down Meldrick Taylor to a 12th round TKO and in the second fight, a mid round KO, so he would beat Floyd. But if you like Floyd in a fantasy matchup against JCC, one could argue that Floyd was hurt coming into his 1st fight with JLC then handled him in the rematch and then stopped Jesus Chavez.

So the two fighters who won titles at 140 who I would confidently favor over Floyd are Aaron Pryor and Pernell Whitaker.



And please tell us why Salvador Sanchez is ranked #3 at super featherweight.
He probably would have been a great super featherweight, but he never fought there. As far as proving himself at 130 and accomplishments at 130, even Juan Manuel Marquez ranks higher than Salvador Sanchez.

 

Quit embaressing yourself. You make NO SENSE and have no logic. You're a ****in child, or someone as dumb as a 13YO.atsch

 

I would like to see it for myself, but unfortunately there is no way I will ever be able to watch a collection of Joe Gans and Benny Leonard fights. I will have to take other people's words to describe their styles who saw them fight and I can look at their resume and their many wins - and all of the great fighters Benny Leonard beat that Floyd could only dream of at lightweight.

Do you simply dismiss these fighters totally out of any rankings because you haven't seen them?

And as far as saying my opinion is ****, you were the person who said "don't tell a person their opinion is wrong" when I said Floyd wasn't near the top at 135....and here you are saying I'm full of ****. I think you were just upset by the fact I don't have Floyd at or near the top at 135.

And you ranked Sugar Ray Robinson number 1 at welterweight? Care to explain your reasoning behind that?

Yes I would. And I'll use Benny Leonard as an example - from all acounts, he was a master of the sweet science. Sugar Ray Robinson said Benny Leonard was the best fighter of all time. Plus, his resume at lightweight is much deeper than Floyd's. How many great fighters did Floyd beat at 135? Now compare that with Benny Leonard?


STOP AVOIDING THE SALVADOR SANCHEZ QUESTION. YOU MADE YOUR RANKINGS, BUT YET YOU DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT THEM - WHY IS HE RANKED NUMBER 3 AMONG SUPER FEATHERWEIGHTS?

 

I find it funny that you ranked Jose Luis Castillo ahead of Shane Mosley regarding the greatest lightweights of this era (other than PBF) based on his accomplishments at lightweight. But you rank Floyd based on what you have seen in film and his talent level. Pick a ****ing criteria and stick with it or combine two...don't change your criteria left and right to whatever suits your particular argument at the time.

 

Here is some examples of who I would definitely pick over Floyd off the top of my head:

130:

Chavez
Arguello

135:

Chavez(yes)
Duran
Whitaker

140:

Pryor
Chavez(you know it)
Benitez
Locche
Whitaker

147: Get ready bigtime...

SRL
Thomas Hearns
Shane Mosely(peak)
ODLH(peak)
Vernon Forrest
Ike Quartey
Felix Trinidad
Griffith
Whitaker
Benitez
Duran


154:

Pretty much any well skilled elite 154 in history, including guys like Cuevas and Vargas, easily.

 

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