Floyd's dispatching of Marquez continues to get better and better as years go by

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  1. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    "Advanced age"

    :rofl

    Knocked out Pac 3 years afterwards.

    That's a FACT.

    Fact is JMM was completely fine going into the fight and was bested by the best boxer in the world.

    The same would happen NOW. That's why JMM wants to go his own way.
     
  2. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Old for a boxer, better?

    Yeah and he lost to Bradley. FACT.

    And he was also made to go up in weight and fight a bigger guy.

    True but that win by Floyd still wasn't particularly impressive.
     
  3. Code Red

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    Pacquiao, Mike Alvarado, even Bradley are still struggling with Marquez yet they claimed he is softened up?
     
  4. Code Red

    Code Red Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd fights bigger opponents all the time, I dont ever see you make excuses for Floyd being outweighed?
     
  5. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I give everyone credit for being at a weight disadvantage but I'm not going to give an elite fighter that much credit for beating someone who they have a significant size advantage over because their opponent has gone up gone up two divisions and has never fought in that division before.
     
  6. MVC!

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    1. Sure, but for JMM he wasn't even at his best yet.

    2. "Made"

    He called Floyd out and they negotiated it to be at that weight, no one made him to do anything. He wanted it to be at 144.

    3. He lost to Bradley by a relatively slim margin at 40 years of age. He knocked Pac out at 39 and beat him before that too (3rd fight). :lol::lol:. So there you go.

    4. Go watch the fight again, it was absolutely stunning and absolutely great. Beating the #2 p4p fighter coming back from a body injury. Absolutely stunning.

    60% to 12% :lol:
     
  7. pugilistspecialist

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    Mayweather the night of his fights are 147-150

    His opponents come in @ 165 routinely so these fools talking about size fail to recognize he didn't beat Marquez with size.....he boxed one of the best boxer in this eras ears off


    Its a good win...not his best but a good win. Mayweather is in his 4 n 5 weight class and nobody making excuses for him. Those 2 pounds didn't make a difference jmm was getting schooled either way
     
  8. Gneus7

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    Point is JMM was still fighting at a higher weight than he ever had before against a bigger opponent than he ever had before. He was at a disadvantage, that makes a difference.

    Not sure what you're trying to prove here. He beat one guy who he matches up well stylistically with and lost to a different guy who he doesn't match up well with stylistically.

    It doesn't matter to me. If you are P4P #1 I'm not going to be impressed by you beating someone who struggles with your style and who you have a significant size advantage over because your opponent has gone up gone up two divisions and has never fought in that division before. Not one of his more impressive wins imo.
     
  9. MVC!

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    1. There have been fighters whom have moved up with great successes. Bad excuse imo.

    If the weight really deterred him from winning, he would have went for a rematch. Fact: He avoids it at all costs. He knew that he was completely fine going in and that he was never going to beat him at ANY weight.

    2. Beating Pac twice after losing to Mayweather like THAT, beating Alvarado. That's a great accomplishment.

    3. He was not p4p #1 at that moment, Pac was. So your point is moot. Even if he was, that kind of destruction only comes once in a lifetime. Dominating the #2 p4p fighter like that speaks of something godlike.
     
  10. Gneus7

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    Size and weight still makes a difference, that's why you don't see Floyd fighting GGG or GGG fighting Ward or Ward fighting Kovalev etc.
     
  11. MVC!

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    Like I said before, fighters move up, and there have been fighters whom have done so with great success.

    Ray Robinson moving up to fight Maxim after his bout with Graziano. 160>175, Ray has never fought at 175 b4. :fire

    Though in those days it was 1 weight class, it would be 2 today. :shock:

    He was beating Maxim until the heat started kicking in. :roll:

    So stop crying about the weight. :roll:

    Marquez was the one who called him out and was completely fine with 144. :deal

    May was retired for 2 years coming back from a body injury and ring rust. Marquez was the #2 p4p fighter.

    You speak as if May had ALL the advantages going in, he didn't.

    It's a great win and historians/experts will see it as such. :hi:
     
  12. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not crying about it, I'm just saying it's the reason why that win is less impressive than many of his other wins. It's the same for all fighters I wouldn't be very impressed by anyone beating a fighter who is two divisions below them.
     
  13. MVC!

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    So Maxim over Robinson was a completely garbage win? :roll::patsch

    Weight played no part of that win, it was an outskilling of the highest order.

    It was not like Floyd walked him down or bulled him to the ropes. He was outboxing him like crazy.

    If weight was an issue, he would challenge Floyd today. :lol:
     
  14. Gneus7

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    Weight always plays a part. There are weight divisions for a reason.
     
  15. puga_ni_nana

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    Jmm was essentially a 135 fighter moving up 2 divisions to fight at WW Floyd who has fought at 154 before.

    It was supposed to be at catchweight of 144 and Floyd didn't even make the weight and cheated jmm off the scales.

    JMM's idea of making weight is lifting rocks and drinking his own urine FFS. :patsch

    Bradley beat a way better version (possibly roided to the gills).