Floyd's Pull-Counter

:rofl:rofl:rofl That was a great shot! But DLH has a great chin!

 

Had that been Floyd Manny wouldn't have been throwing those kinds of punches unless he knew Floyd was hurt. You have to remember Cotto was pretty much done at this time and the ref could have ended the fight in this round or the round before legitimately.

 

Exactly, because emmanuel would know that Floyd can counter even with combos being thrown at him. Floyd doesn't counter when combos are thrown at him my AZZ.atsch

 

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Again, Theoretical fights from Floyd.

You know the difference between *****s and *******s?

*****s keep dreaming that Floyd will do this, do that to his opponents and KO his opponents IN THEORY.

Pac actually ****s up his opponents in REAL FIGHTS. *******s want to see a great fight. Win or Lose we still want to see a great fight.

 

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- "He will more than likely NOT counter."
- Floyd would more than likely not counter. Especially with the heavier handed Mosley.
- At most, Floyd may throw back some lazy shot to throw off his opponent but he would never counter with something seriously because he doesn't take risks!
- Yes, if there is the opening, he takes it with his countering.....

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..... I said that he is not a risk taker and that would be very effective for Manny to implement as part of his game plan.

You showing me a couple of clips on a fight that I even know that for the most part, Floyd either covered up or threw lazy counters when Oscar came in with combos. Now did that happen for all 12 rounds? No!!! Plus Oscar is not prime, has slowed down and as his own trainer later said, Roach realized when Oscar fought Floyd, he couldn't pull the trigger anymore. Now, nobody's perfect in performing their game plan, especially this Oscar....... Floyd is a very good defensive fighter and knows how to counter. So I wouldn't expect this Oscar especially to shut Floyd out.

Same if Manny tries to implement the plan that I stated. Would Floyd never throw a counter while Manny throws combos? No!!! .... but like I said, Floyd is not a risk taker so he will not counter as effective or as often if someone throws combos as when the opponents come in with 1 punch at a time.

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...... now add the fact that Manny is quick, has pop, has good movement, is accurate and as I stated, if he would come in, throw his combos and step out that can give Floyd problems as

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One who has the best footwork dictates the angles. IMHO, Manny has faster footwork than PBF. Funny thing, his attacks are structured wholly on movement, not PBF's... PBF wont be able to hide behind his shoulder for defense vs the southpaw either.

 

We already went through this. Floyd's timing and footwork makes it tougher for people to spam combos at him. It's not just a theory, it's happened in literally all his fights. That's why they end up being reduced to one punch at a time fighters.

emmanuel's combos and output can be controlled:

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I know you guys don't like Floyd, but you're underestimating him way too much if you expect him just to stand there and lose by being outworked. Floyd learned his lesson about workrate after outboxing Oscar for 9 rounds, but only walking away with a Split Decision.

 

lol
so, this clip is the disaster spell for Pacquiao? one thing, they're both right handers. And he counters over a weak jab, or pulls back on the jab to counter over. And you think Freddie roach DOESNT know this?

The last thing PBF want to happen is to be caught in a combo while he's trying to counter. And THATS gonna happen cuz you cant tell when Pac's gonna stop throwing. And even a clean counter, you say there's some reset time? There's no reset time with Pacquiao lol. He's shown that he'll blaze thru a counter and just get more hits in - PBF dont want that!

Another big problem is that Mayweather's style is static, its set. Its carbon copy and premised wholly on speed and reaction time. He's slowed down a bit but he's still sick fast in my book. What can overcome speed is timing and angles - and Pacquiao has plenty of that, and you can bet he's gonna be training to time Mayweather's static punching style.

Pacquiao's ability and skill sets is much more flexible and diversified than Mayweather's - and thats when gameplan implementation comes into play.
Every fight has seemed to be a near shut-out because a gameplan derived by Freddie Roach. You think he knows some holes in Mayweather's armor? I betcha. You think Pacquiao will have the ability and skill to exploit those holes and carry out a tailor-made gameplan from his coach? You betcha...

 

Dude, be serious. Brother Nazim was pulling all nighters just to study tapes of Floyd. They all KNEW Floyd does the pull-counter, but that doesn't mean they could stop it. It's not like Nacho Bernstein didn't see it either. It's easy to sit at home and think **** is easy, but someone actually being able to pull **** off on Mayweather is a different story. It's harder than it looks.

You're being delusional.

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See how hurt manny was from that counter? He even did the chicken dance as he nearly turned his back. That's enough time for Floyd to reset and get into a better vantage point.

Again, you're bringing up something Mayweather is going to do himself, train. Floyd actually has better timing than emmanuel.

You do know that emmanuel has moar flaws than Floyd? Roach is a great trainer, but him and manny had over 4 years to crack the Marquez code. They never convincingly beat Marquez. Freddie Roach can't fight for manny, manny has lots of flaws, and Floyd is the king at exploiting flaws. That's what ring technicians like Floyd do.

 

good points - some of it a matter of opinions
styles make fights
obviously this one is too subjective to get a definitive consensus

all i can say is.... They BETTER FIGHT!

 

One of the greatest things Floyd pulls off. He truly is a magnificent sight to watch, when he's actually fighting.

 

I agree, Mayweather will not just stand there and be hit like that. He will either run or not sign the fight.

 

You brought up guys like Marquez, Mosley and Oscar to prove your argument. I already stated why those 3 were either out of prime, rusty, too old, couldn't pull the trigger or shouldn't even have foughten Floyd at WW.

Marquez fights differently than Floyd. Marquez takes more risks. He is willing to fight fire with fire. Meaning, Marquez would often counter Manny's combos with combos of his own. Now, that worked for him but he also paid the price of getting knocked down by Manny. Floyd is not that kind of fighter. Even in those clips you showed me of Floyd countering Oscar, it was at best a 5 on 10 as far as being risky and it was one punch at a time by Floyd.

Marquez would not be able to fight the same way now against Manny because Manny carried his power into the WW division. I could see Manny knocking out Marquez at WW.

 

Oscar never fought Floyd at welterweight. It happened at Super Welter. You're confusing emmanuel for Floyd, gets your facts straight.

emmanuel isn't exactly in his prime anymoar being on the other side of 30, especially with his style. He'll be at least 32 by the time he fights Floyd.

Floyd shouldn't have even fought Oscar at 154, he's a 147'er. Floyd was rusty when he fought Marquez, and that wasn't a prime Mayweather who beat Marquez and Mosley. Oscar was the man at 154 when Floyd beat him. Mosley was the man at 147 when Floyd beat him.

They weren't at their best when Floyd fought them just like how Oscar, Hatton, and Cotto were not their best selves when emmanuel defeated them.

Floyd and emmanuel beating on past prime fighters doesn't change some of the things they can do.

Marquez MOST effective punches were pot shots, single shot right hand
counters, and 2 hit combos. Whenever he threw the combo the first punch
would be used as a distraction to set up the mean blow coming after.
Mayweather doesn't need to use combos as much since he's a much more
accurate sharpshooter.

The one left shovel hook potshot kept from Marquez kept landing all
night. The single shot right hand counter kept landing all night.

Floyd doesn't need to create openings for himself through combos due to his style. He studies his opponents so well that one shot
is one kill, that one punch will find its mark. His timing, accuracy,
and reflexes allow him to have success by countering with one punch
only. Quality over quantity.

When Floyd does need to throw combos, no one is better than him at 2
punch combos. jab + right hand, right hand + left hook, left hook +
right hand, left hook + left hook, left uppercut + right hand, double
right hand, etc. He opened up a cut right above Hatton's right eye at
will with a 4 punch slashing combo: right hand, left hook, right hand,
and right hand.

He can definitely throw a few combos if he needs them.