Floyd's resume.

Excuses excuses excuses! As my friend Marlon Starling said “After every defeat there is an injury”. When it comes to Floyd’s record the facts speaks for themselves despite attempts at false fake news narratives:

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You still don’t get it.

It was very uncommon to request OSDT up until the day of the fight.

Nobody did that back then.

Floyd wouldn’t give Manny the cut off he wanted.

Floyd said 14 days or no fight.

They couldn’t reach a compromise.

Manny then agreed and said he was willing to do the 14 days.

Did the fight happen?

No.

Floyd said he’d taken it off of the table.

That’s what happened.

 

Floyd did not give up all of the concessions.

You know full well that nobody was doing OSDT back then.

Manny didn’t have to agree to anything.

Manny initially just wanted to do 3 tests.

Floyd said no.

Manny then agreed but wanted 30 days.

Floyd said no.

It then came to light that although he hadn’t been randomly tested, he had given blood 24 days out against Hatton.

When that was pointed out to Manny, he then agreed to 24 days.

Floyd said no and said that he could only have a 14 day window.

Manny refused.

Neither would compromise, so they went their separate ways.

Manny then went back and said he’d agree to the 14 days in order to make the fight.

Floyd refused and said it was no longer on the table.

That’s what Floyd did. He kept moving the goalposts.

There was no OSDT back then, there was no sign of any wrongdoing, nobody else had an issue fighting Manny, and Floyd had no issue with any of his other opponents. There is absolutely no reason why he couldn’t have accepted the 14 days which is what he initially proposed. You have no logical explanation for him refusing that. He’d gotten what he wanted, so he could have tried to have made the fight at that point. The fact that he didn’t speaks volumes.

How can we even debate when you’re claiming that the $40m offer was ducked? WTF? This was just another example of Floyd not wanting the fight.

“Oh, it was twice the offer of last time”

“It was more money than Manny had ever made before...”

It was a joke.

A flat fee of $40m, where Floyd would have kept the PPV revenue?

Ha!

The fight grossed over $600m in total revenue.

Manny made over $100m.

That wasn’t Floyd trying to make the fight. Offering something so ridiculous that he knew it was going to be turned down before he’d even offered it.

It was a joke.

It’s ridiculous how you see things.

“Floyd ran up to Manny at a basketball game”

Great.

Let’s praise Floyd for making the fight.

It’s a shame he didn’t run up to him when he’d given Floyd what he’d wanted, FIVE YEARS EARLIER.

It wasn’t Manny who was looking to build himself back up after his devastating loss to Marquez.

It was Floyd who finally saw that Manny had diminished enough so he could take advantage of him.

 

Glass City Cobra,

It’s not a flawed argument at all. Thomas Hauser probes. He asks questions of all of the fighters and the commissions. He questions protocol. He documents facts. He looks at the whole boxing landscape.

Paulie doesn’t do any of that.

He doesn’t question everybody else, where he discusses any wrongdoings, whilst analysing protocol and analysing factual information. No. He just focuses solely on Manny.

I’ve watched the video.

It’s not hard to debunk is it.

He thinks that Manny is guilty because he’s been at the top for 20 years.

Okay.

Floyd also performed at the top level in a career that spanned 20 years.

Cleared?

By a guy who didn’t even know what had happened until 3 weeks later?

Brilliant.

The legitimate reason was what had happened to him in 2005 when he fought Erik Morales.

He turned pro when he was just 16 years of age. And when he was on the outer skirts of the MW division at JMW, that was for just one fight, which was an agreed upon C-W of 150 pounds. And Manny only weighed 144 pounds. It was also 16 years after he’d turned pro. So let’s not pretend that he just suddenly put all of this weight on over a short period of time and then went up near MW where he knocked guys out. Because that’s not what happened. He was never a JMW. He didn’t even weigh-in as a WW for that one fight.

Yeah, it’s rare to see Manny fight at 40. But he’s clearly not the fighter he once was, and Floyd could have done the same had he have really wanted to.

Oscar was finished. He looked dead at the weight. He used to rehydrate between 9-14 pounds for every one of his fights, and he hadn’t made WW for almost a decade. Both Freddie Roach and Floyd Snr, expected him to rehydrate by a large amount. Yet he only rehydrated by TWO pounds. Think about that. And Freddie himself said that he’d seen IV marks and that he knew he was finished. He’d looked awful in the Forbes fight before. Manny didn’t knock out Oscar. Okay, officially, it was a TKO. But he didn’t really stop him. Oscar just had nothing left in the tank. Nobody speaks of Manny knocking him out. Oscar retired on his stool. You can’t use that as a knockout win to suit your agenda.

Hatton was a great match up for him stylistically, and he ran into him aggressively.

Yes, he hammered Cotto, but Cotto had already taken a sustained beating from Marg. And the fight went 11 rounds.

Brandon Rios was his first fight after he’d been iced by Marquez and he’d been out of the ring for a year. Nobody expected a knockout under those circumstances.

Nobody knocked Bradley out. He was like a tank.

He fought Algieri and Horn when he’d aged, after the devastating loss to Marquez. The Horn fight was a close, technical fight.

He wasn’t washed up, but he wasn’t the fighter he’d been. He stopped Lucas M though, as he was a good stylistic match up for him.

They’re not big red flags when you apply logic and common sense, as above.

It doesn’t work against him at all. It works in his favour. You are trying to paint a picture where Manny destroyed everything in his path until he came under more scrutiny. But that’s not true. He didn’t knock out all of his opponents before Floyd made his accusations. He didn’t knock out all of his earlier opponents. He didn’t knock out Morales both times. He didn’t knock out MAB. He didn’t knock out JMM in 4 fights.

 

Glass City Cobra,


Part 2.

The smaller weights are obviously much closer together. Roy knocking not being able to knock out a HW, isn’t the same as a 16 year old boy moving from FW to WW, which was over a decade later.

You said he didn’t knock out anybody after he became under more scrutiny.

Clearly he did.

He did have surgery after the Floyd fight.

He had it done the following week:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=14&ved=2ahUKEwjE5efNwKnpAhUOXhUIHeIzAZwQFjANegQIBhAB&url=https://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/12837213/manny-pacquiao-undergoes-surgery-torn-right-rotator-cuff&usg=AOvVaw3mx0Rh8AAPOM3n8XUyNlPY

He said that the salt water healed his wound after the surgery had been successful:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwiPl_eNxanpAhUpQxUIHTeUCN0QFjAAegQIBBAB&url=https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2552911-manny-pacquiao-says-god-salt-water-fixed-his-injured-shoulder&usg=AOvVaw1K3GxQJLsVGRq14Wxp6SuA

It’s you who can’t get things straight.

The same guy who enforced a C-W on Canelo, despite the fact that it was a JMW unification, he’d already fought Oscar at the weight, and he’d publicly said that he didn’t care what weight Canelo rehydrated to, as skills paid the bills?

The same guy who complained about Maidana’s gloves?

The same guy who said that he’d fight if Manny agreed to a 14 day cut off, only for him to take it off the table when Manny did agree?

The same guy who after Manny had agreed to his demands, tried to pay him $40m, in return for the entire PPV revenue, in a fight which grossed over $600m?

A guy who looked uncomfortable, defensive and aggressive, every time he was interviewed and asked about the fight?

A guy who had his Uncle Roger in his ear, telling him that Manny was on A-Side Meth?

A guy who said that fighting Manny back then wasn’t the right time?

A guy who had an illegal IV, with an Illegal amount in it, on his sofa, in secret without following protocol and notifying the relevant organisations?

A guy who claims he was severely dehydrated, who was only 4 pounds out at the 30 day weigh-in?

A guy who tried to have a clause written into his USADA contract, stating that he could apply to have a retroactive TUE if he needed one?

YES!

Floyd clearly didn’t want the fight until the time was right. The right time being after Marquez had iced him.

You don’t need to hire Columbo to work out what happened.

Floyd is one of the greatest fighters who’s ever lived. Maybe even the GOAT on a H2H basis. But the man was clearly shook and not half as confident as what his fans like yourself are.

 

You said it yourself! They could not reach a compromise. It takes 2 to compromise. I'm sticking with what Roach said about it.

 

Go and look at the old negotiation timelines.

They’re still available online.

 

Manny went back and told Floyd he’d agree to the 14 day cut off period.

Floyd said that he was no longer offering it him, like a child in a playground.

This was a fight that grossed $600m in revenue.

There was no logical reason for Floyd to have taken that off of the table.

 

No he wasn’t.

He’s in his prime now.

 

He was also injured and Floyd had his IV.

Both of those things greatly diminish the win.

Canelo wasn’t in his prime.