Floyd's resume.

What do you expect, when you’re talking nonsense about his tattoos.

 

His win over Oscar in my opinion was no where near his best win. I say this as someone who has watched every single fight in Floyd’s career. For me his best win was his dissection and destruction of Diego Corrales at 130 pounds. In the Oscar fight it was the biggest fight in his career at that point in time and he basically had to concede everything to Oscar as the A-side to make it happen e.g. weight, gloves, ring, high percentage of revenues etc . Had he fought Oscar when Oscar fought Mosley the first time because this is what I believe you mean by peak De La Hoya, Floyd would have beat him worse because then Floyd’s body had not broken down and he was throwing more combinations with fantastic speed and accuracy. Hell Floyd would have stopped Oscar then. It was not a close fight at all. Journalist Evan Korn and I watched it together. A few times I wanted to score some charity rounds to Oscar he said to me “Common man” score what you see not what the crowd are hoping for.

As for Mayorga he may not have been the most skillful but beating Vernon Forrest is no mean feat someone Oscar studiously avoided and he beat Forrest twice and stopped world champion Andrew Six Heads Lewis.

As for debating. When I respond to your points you don’t like it as I make my points. I don’t abuse you or make it personal like other posters here. Someone have even abused my mother if you can believe that! Such an ignoble despicable act. I enjoy debating you because you make your points well but obviously we don’t have to agree with each other. I certainly have no issues with you having a different opinion. I have always said variety in opinion adds to overall gaiety of the nation.

 

Most are. I would respect them if they simply said yes he is an ATG but I hate his personality and his character. At least that would be honest but they are like Trump would prefer to lie and distort the truth and facts.

 

I've been waiting for about 2 weeks for you to explain why a guy p4p #3 in the world and a championship belt holder with PPV status isn't in his prime.

If I lack objectivity and what I'm saying is so absurd, prove the flaw in this logic.

 

"Prime" refers to the boxers physical prime of their life. Now a days, people are adding accomplishments to place their prime. Not how it works.

 

Hey @Loudon how do you explain the cut wouldn’t heal for Mayweather but would for Marquez and the stadium that needed to be built? Or them trying to negotiate Cotto at 147 instead?

 

Why were you floyd fans so against the idea of a stadium for the fight? The stadium would have held more fans, and NOT just give ringside tix to high rollers and celebrities. The stadium was going to be for FANS. Yet...you floyd fanatics HATED that idea for some reason.

BTW, do you think Louden is a physician or something? "Can you look at my cut?"

 

Walcott
Hopkins
Mayweather
Foreman
Archie Moore

All became better smarter boxers as they aged. They changed diets, hired new trainers, learned new skills, improved their defense etc. And this all occured when they were past their physical prime. One of the main things i want to point out is that other than Mayweather and possibly Moore, they were all undeniably much worse fighters when they were younger and had glaring flaws.

It's not that simple.

Pacquiao arguably falls in this category as he undeniably became a better smarter boxer over the years. He used to be a reckless in your face volume puncher who threw rapid fire bombs non stop. He was fast but fairly predictable and jumped in and out with a pattern. That's exactly why he got KO'd by Marquez. Even Freddie Roach acknowledged weaknesses in the younger pacquiao that he improved upon like having him fight using angles and lateral movement (as seen in the Brandon Rios fight) or getting better at attacking the body and setting up his flurries with patience (like the Bradley rematches where he paced himself much better). He utterly outclassed Jesse Vargas and won every round against Broner, 2 prime fighters a decade younger than him. Then he had his master class pefromance against Keith Thurman, an undefeated man more than 10 years younger whom he knocked down and proceeded to take to school.

You can't improve like that and remain a force on the division if you are past your prime. A past his prime shopworn fighter usually wont really be able to learn much or adapt and is set in their ways or has physically deteriorated. The key word here is "improve" because if you are improving it means you are a better fighter than you were before.

The first sign a guy is past his prime is that his legs are gone, right? That's the standard by which boxers have been judged for 100 years. How does Pacquiao still have such good, methodical, quick footwork if he's past it? He's the 1/100,000 exception? Paulie Malignaggi had a point about the fact Pacquiao was a world champion when he debuted and is still fighting at the championship level years after Paulie retired.

No I don't buy it. Pacquiao was p4p #3 in the world and a belt holder when Mayweather beat him and went on to have good solid wins at the world level half a decade AFTER the fight. That's a prime fighter.

 

Interesting points you make. My view is there is no hard and fast rule. Some guys conversely were at the their absolute best when they were younger like Ali, Tyson, Frazier, Roy Jones Jr,Don Curry to name a few. As for Mayweather it’s difficult to say he got better with age. Certainly Pretty Boy Floyd was more exciting in the Ring than Money Mayweather. The key for him is he had great athletic ability and outstanding fundamentals so when his body broke down he was still able to get the job done.

As for Pacquiao I agree Roach developed him from the one handed assassin. I remember watching him against Dangerous David Diaz and could not believe my eyes as I was witnessing his evolvement as a fighter. It’s not that he won rather it was the manner, an excellent scientific performance. Pacquiao performance against Thurman was excellent he is a phenomenal fighter. He has his defects though obviously ,

 

Just gonna disagree on this. Some fighters have attributes that allow them to look still pretti good even past prime. Floyd was past prime when he retired. He STILL had good footwork and hand speed. That doesn't indicate he was still prime. Like I said, prime refers to their physical prime, the best their bodies will be.

 

Olu G. Rotimi,

His win over Diego Corrales was absolutely fantastic.

That’s got to be in his top 3 for sure.

The versions of Oscar who fought Shane would have given Floyd huge issues. Huge.

Floyd wouldn’t have stopped him.

Behave yourself.

How many guys did Floyd stop who were on Oscar’s level?

How many guys did he stop at WW?

It’s a fantasy.

The versions of Oscar who fought Shane would have had a reasonable chance of beating Floyd.

Yes, their fight was close, until Floyd pulled away in the final quarter.

Mayorga beating Vernon was great and unexpected. But there was nothing great about Oscar beating Mayorga.

No, you don’t do that. And I appreciate that.

I really enjoy debating you too.

 

What drugs are you currently taking?

I have replied to you in a 2 part post which you haven’t replied back to.

Prove the flaw in this logic?

What logic?

On what planet was Manny Pacquiao in his PRIME when he Floyd in 2015??

Yes, he was still an elite fighter.

Yes, he was still in the P4P rankings.

In his prime though?

Ha!

Are you really that desperate to hype Floyd’s resume that you’re going to pretend that Manny was PRIME?

He was 36 years old!

He’d been iced by Marquez over 2 years earlier.

He had an injured shoulder that he had surgery on the week after the fight.

So how can we debate, when you think that a 36 year old Manny Pacquiao was in his prime?

You are the type of guy who garners Floyd criticism.

This quote below is what you wrote to me a few weeks ago:

Yet you’re how trying to claim that he was prime.

You guys are HILARIOUS.

 

I don’t even know if Pimp and MVC would claim that Manny was in his prime when he fought Floyd.

 

There seems to be a rather large disconnect on this board in regards to what is prime. Many think it's when the fighter is fighting at his best. Personally, I feel it refers to their physical prime. When their bods are at their peak. I could be wrong, but that's my interpretation of it.

And because Pac still could beat a top WW at his age, some see that as still in his prime. Does anyone here believe Floyd was in his prime before he retired? Doubtful. Still working on the highest level, but not in his physical prime.

Prime and "natural weight" are two of the most abused terms on this board.

 

Hmm... Pimp says Canelo has NOT improved at all in a decade..so he might. Plus that gives Floyd a win over PRIME Manny!