Floyd's retirement reminds me of Barry Sanders retiring in his prime ...

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  1. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    I think that PBF is really retired ... and will not come back ... its not a surprise that a fighter retires at the top of his game ...

    He has done alot in the sport and has accomplished more than many fighters only dream of. He's been boxing since he could walk and its very possible that this guy is tired of everything that goes along with the sport.

    He's reached the status that he wants to reach ... fought a long list of good fighters and has gained every achievement possible in the sport. He's a sure shot hall of famer and the best fighter of this generation ...

    I think him bowing out right now is great ... it gives other fighters the opportunity to get clout and make a name for themselves. No one out there right now is on his level and might now get there for quite some time.
     
  2. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The problem is that FLoyd's generation of fighters has not ended. People like pavlik, cotto, pacquiou, etc...all still have time to surpass his accomplishments. i agree he has accomplished a lot, but he has not secured hiimself as being the best fighter of this generation, nor has he secured himself in the top 10 ATG.

    Like you have said, he has fought a lot of good fighters, but he could potentially fight a few great fighters which would ultimately would put him amongst the truly great.
     
  3. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    In theory bro I agree 100%
    But ask yourself, would Barry Sanders retire if the Lions would have been Quaranted a spot in the Superbowl. (I think Barry plays)

    Again, I don't follow Football or know if the lions were contenders or not at the time when Barry retired, I may be wrong.
     
  4. fitzgeraldz

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    His generation of fighters hasn't ended?

    What are you talking about? .... Floyd began his career in 1996 ... that was over 12 yrs ago ... thats fairly long for a career ... the new generation of fighters are the fighters who had started in 2000 ... thats like saying Kobe generation is still around ... no they aren't.

    Floyd came in an era where there were some tough guys fighting ...

    Alot of the fighters that started fighting when he started are gone as well, or are struggling to keep their careers alive.

    Pavlik started fighting I believe in 00' and he just got a title so what is your point bro?
     
  5. Thread Stealer

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    It reminds me of his last "retirement".
     
  6. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i guess it's just hard to pinpoint when a generation starts and begins. so fighters who start fighting 4 years apart cant be a part of the same generation? where is the line exactly? put it this way, if 2 fighters 4 years apart can fight eachother and both be considered reasonably in their prime, then couldnt you say they can be considered the same generation?

    it really is a difficult question in my opinion.
     
  7. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    are generations created by the olympics?
     
  8. fitzgeraldz

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    The lions sucked, but Barry was on course to shatter all of the NFL's career records and had only 10yrs in the sport. He was 2nd on the All-time list for rushing yards ... 10 straight 1,000 yrds seasons, most consecutive 100 yrd games ... 1 of 4 players in history to ever gain 2,000 yrds in a season ... 1 regular season MVP ...

    I think now that Floyd is gone and once it sinks in that people will start to appreciate him for what he acheived in the sport. And once the smoke clears from this now disaray welterweight division people will start to wish that PBF was still around in the sport.

    *6-time world champions
    *(5) five different weight divisions (done within first 10 yrs as a pro)
    *(3) lineal titles ... 130, 135, 147
    *39-0 26 KO's
    *undefeated for 12 yrs ...
    *19 championship fights (19-0 9 KO's)
    *around 15 former/current world champions on his resume
    *won a world title within first 18 mo. as a pro - 0 eliminators, 0 regional belts ... and fought a guy who only lost 1 fight and was undefeated at 130.

    I think thats grounds for atg great contention ... he's definitely the best fighter of this generation and is one of the greatest boxers to ever lace up a pair of gloves - IMO the greatest.
     
  9. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    It's looks impressive...
    But real talk, do you belive he deserved to make more $ than the guy in your sig?
    dose Floyd's career really make you wish he was still in his prime.
     
  10. fitzgeraldz

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    I'm pretty sure none of you guys understand how hard it is to retire from something that you're good at ... having that desire to go out there and compete but know in the back of your mind that there is nothing else to do ... there's nothing else to achieve.

    He's done everything imagineable in the sport ... he's won fighter of the year twice by the ring and bwaa ...

    He's not bouncing back off of a devasting loss ... he's not chasing any demons ...

    Whats wrong with this guy quitting?

    He set all of his goals ... there's nothing more to do ...

    This isn't a ploy ...
     
  11. fitzgeraldz

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    Explain?

    I don't get what you're talking about sig? ... whats that? ... are you talking about Morales?
     
  12. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Yeah, did Floyd's career impress you more than Morales.
    Did Floyd deserve to make more money than a proven warrior like Erick?
    IMO, I say no...
     
  13. fitzgeraldz

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    Two different fighters ... yeah I think he deserved to make more money than Morales ...

    Floyd was a child prodigy ... he's been a star for quite some time and had been destined to be a great pro ...

    Morales never had the same kinda amateur and international experience than Floyd. Floyd was a world amateur champion at featherweight ... and was an olympic medalist.

    Floyd was a different kinda fighter than Morales ... but you seen how Morales career ended at the same age as Floyd is too.

    0-4 in his last 4 fights and 1-5 in his last 6 ... Morales' prime came too early in age.

    He was a smaller fighter as well campaigning at bantam and feather weight ... Floyd started at feather and went as high as super welterweight.

    Morales was great but not as good as FLoyd ...
     
  14. jlrivera81

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    Fitz, no one argues with his accomplishments. But to say he is the greatest of all time is a bit premature especially when he is leaving such a deep division. Does it not bother you that he may not fight Cotto or any other welterweight. Dont you want to see him tested against the best? Or do you think he is so good that he cant be tested; therefore, there is no point for him to retire. It is this reason why you cant consider him the greatest of all time. He simply doesnt have the resume to become the #1 GOAT. Even if he defeats Cotto, he wouldnt be #1. Do you honestly believe that just b/c he one 6 titles in 5 divisions (the last 3 titles were pretty weak) that he deserves to be called #1.

    i commend you for all of your knowledge b/c i know you know your stuff, but come on. you cant be that blind.
     
  15. fitzgeraldz

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    No its not ... no one in that division has done 1/2 of what he did throughout his career and none have been as consistant.