Floyd's retirement reminds me of Barry Sanders retiring in his prime ...

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  1. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Give it a few years bro ... this will be brought up for quite some time ... and the anticipation for a come back will there for years ...

    Who do you know that has retired undefeated in their prime ... and came back.

    As the years go by ... people will grow to appreciate this guy ... there's nothing like him since he started and there's nothing like him now.
     
  2. Docgear69

    Docgear69 Member Full Member

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    the best fighter of his generation? wtf. Hell no. theres alot more for that bum to accomplish. But he can quit, hes boring as hell. very talented yes, but i wont miss him. i got cotto, pavlik, margo, the list goes on and on. Mayweather go ahead and retire chump!!!! the number one welter is COTTO deal with it!!!!!
     
  3. fitzgeraldz

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    What is there to accomplish ... who out there has done more ... in that period of time and stayed undefeated?

    Who out there right now is on that level? ...
     
  4. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    what floyd did back at 130-135 needs to be seperated from he has done at 147 b/c there is no comparison. this lineal title crap is really overrated. granted, it is important, but dont you believe in quality over quantity?

    for example, let's talk about david haye. sure he did great at lightheavy and is going to the heavy's now. let's so he goes on and dominates and unifies. that may give himi a place in history, but he surely wouldnt become the greatest heavy weight simply the competition wasnt that tough.

    there is no way floyd gets the nod over any of the sugar rays or ali. when your last 3 belts are against gatti (punching bag), baldomir(career journeyman), and DLH (way past prime-but still good,not great), it doesnt exactly scream #1 ATG.

    IMO his greatest victory was against Diego. Since then, he could have easily taken over boxing much like DLH did, but for whatever reason decided to take the easier road.

    He accomplished a lot, but not enough to cement as #1. Remember, we're not talking about his skills and what could have been. We are talking about what was done. Perhaps, he could have become #1 if he used his talents to his full potential, but I guess we'll never know.
     
  5. blood_lust

    blood_lust Active Member Full Member

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    This is actually quite the opposite. Barry Sanders retired on top simply because Detroit would not trade him to a team with a chance at winning and rather than keep playing for a losing team, he retired. His options were to play for the Lions or retire, so he retired.

    Mayweather on the other hand has unlimited options and potential great fights (and possible losses) and is not willing ot step up, like to truly prove his greatness like a SRL, SRR, Hagler, Hopkins, RJJ, DLH, Hearns, Duran etc...

    Huge difference between the two.
     
  6. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    great posts
     
  7. saul_ir34

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    WHAT!!!
    THey do not even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath. I know Morales fought at the lower weight classes but P4P Morales was ten times better! He was exciting and also a top P4P fighter. PBF was never that.

    The reason PBF is retitring if he even is is because he does not want to lose. Morales was a true warrior who did not care about winning or losing but just about us.

    Dont ever compare the 2. PBF may have people fooled because of his fame but Morales was a true fighter unlike PBF.

    Your a ****ing idiot if you think PBF is greater than Morales.
     
  8. fitzgeraldz

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    Not in my opinion ... I evaluate fighters over their whole careers ... you can't chop up his career like that. He was an active fighter since 96' ...

    Baldomir - lineal "undisputed" welterweight champion
    Judah - former undisputed welterweight champion & lineal champion
    Hatton - former WBA welterweight champion and the reigning universally recognized "undisputed" light welterweight champion ...

    you can't deny that ... those 3 guys fought at welterweight obtained championship and were fighting at a high level at the time they fought Floyd.

    no matter what you thought about them as fighters ... something that you can't take away from them ... they were accomplished and were champions ... and Floyd beat them.
     
  9. fitzgeraldz

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    He won at every weight class he went to ... thats something that can't be taken away from him and should be considered when you talk about how great he is.

    He was more consistant that any fighter i've seen ... his undefeated reign without a loss was far better than any fighter that fought during his era ... he had no set backs and fought the best available - experienced fighters.

    This guy fought notable fighters in tune-ups ... he former champions ... not guys on their way up ... chop chop was the former 140 champion and so was mitchell.
     
  10. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'll give you Judah and Hatton all day, but not Baldy. Regardless, do you think that compares to beating a prime Duran or Hearns or beating a prime Frazier or Foreman
     
  11. fitzgeraldz

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    You can't say that ... you can't take away from the fact that Baldomir beat the then reigning welterweight champion in Zab Judah ...

    thats something you can't take away from him .... he was the champion ... no matter what I or you or anyone else thinks ... there's no dispute that he was the champion.
     
  12. fitzgeraldz

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    I'm not comparing Baldomir to anyone in history ... he was a champion and a true champion ... not an alphabet soup belt holder ... he beat the man who was the man.

    That doesn't grant anything other than that ... he was there for the taking and FLoyd did it ...

    It might not fair well with you JL ... but it is what it is ...
     
  13. dodong

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    If Cotto or even Margarito does go on to become an ATG and FMJ truly does retire, Floyds legacy will be somewhat tarnished.
     
  14. saul_ir34

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    PBF always took the easy way out. Stop hugging him so much fitz!

    Its pathetic.
     
  15. jecxbox

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    Barry Sanders would have broken every record. He retired for a noble reason.