'Flyweight' head-to-head lists: 105, 108, 112 and 115 pounds

It's been a while since i watched the second Chang chitalada fight, so i'd like to score it again to be sure.

I remember it as an awful ugly fight where neither fighter looked that good, but Chang should have won by 2 or 3 points.Chang was better in it and the Kittikassem fight than he was against Gnzalez, where he was also rusty as hell as well as just past it.

To eb fair to Chitalada he was having a lot of weight making trouble by that point and probably on the way out because of it himself.I doubt you would be that impressed by most of his later defences.the earlier fights would be the ones to go for to check him out.

 

Pacquiao would get slaughtered by any of those guys, except for the lighter hitters, who'd simply box rings around him and make him look like an amateur. Asero needs to get a ****ing clue or get the **** out of the Classic Forum. Pest.

 

In fairness, Agapito Sanchez was just a ***** to fight based upon his toughness, trickiness and penchant for leading his head and elbows. But, Pac really didn't start to come into his own till '02, I think...during the latter part of his reign at 122lbs.

 

Tricky guy, who went on a nice run, but I don't see him lasting with Lopez, and Alvarez at his best.

 

A dark horse pick for 108 might be Mauricio Pastrana, simply because he was able to defeat a version of Carbajal who was still pretty good. At 108, Jorge Arce was quite a force, too, and might warrant some consideration for inclusion.

 

Arce could be tagged on that 108 list somewhere...He was beastly there with the size advantage he often had over his foes and he could really hit.
Made my top 10 p4p punchers several years in a row whilst he was there and at fly.

Most certainly a level below all the names mentioned so far however.

 

he was way behind on points against past prime carbajal and manage to escape with a KO win...

 

He was way ahead and he was the one who got stopped....

 

i would say it was a lucky punch...but knowing arce, it's not surprising...
still arce can be beaten by any decent fighter

 

It was from left field considering how in control Arce was...but Mike was landing that right well throughout the fight, just up until that point for the most part it wasnt stopping Arce from bashing him.

Well depends what you mean by decent...He is also a damn good chance at manhandling and knocking out a lot of lightflys that have been around.

He is not on the level of the guys mentioned...not really close. If you mean those guys are what you consider "decent" then yeah I see what you mean. But if by decent you mean any top contender or titlist that there has ever been at the weight, then I think Jorge is a pretty good chance of defeating a great deal of those.

 

decent fighter at flyweight to me means those outside the top 10 ever, maybe 11-20th...those inside the top 10 are hall of famers with the top 5 considered as ATG (wilde, lopez, villa, canto and perez....maybe lynch...

 

I would say Arce is probably a top 10 light flyweight, maybe just scraps in, maybe doesnt..I dont know who I would have in the 11-20, but if you were to consider a guy Cazares making it in there (at the very best towards the end) Jorge would have tossed him aside with little trouble in his prime. Id probably say the same about Solis and most of the other lightflys around at the moment, though he would have more trouble with them more then likely.

 

i take the 108 and 112 combined...thus, i consider carvajal, gonzales, kingpetch, calderon and chang as decent fighters bec they are outside of the top 10