Folks, would Wlad Klitschko have done better with Jevon ‘Sugar’ Hill?

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  1. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Wlad went with Banks who I thought was absolutely awful. Would Sugar Hill have been the better trainer? Not trying to play Monday Morning QB years after the fact.
    Not sure it really would have made a difference in the Fury fight but I feel against Joshua it might have made a difference of course the long layoff was bad enough for Wlad.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Banks wasn't a trainer, really. He was more of a mitt holder and is an old friend of Vlad's. If anything, Vitali was Vlad's trainer post-Steward. I think he could have benefited from having a trainer, but it would be tough for such a dominant champ at an advanced age to respect anyone enough for it to be worth it.

    In hindsight it seems like a good choice given Fury's success and the fact that Vlad lost his last fights due to a lack of aggression.
     
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  3. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad was himself His Trainer. Banks is His buddy and mittholder.
    Wlad Had to appoint the old Guy from the kronk.
    Banks is so unenergetic, it hurts
     
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  4. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    Wlad does not have the mind set for the kronks philosophy.

    it’s the knockout, they train to apply pressure, mentally psyche out the opponent and knock them out.

    Wlad was far too cautious and would revert to type. When you have manny steward, one of the best ever, screaming at you to let your hands go against Calvin brock then he ain’t got a shot at the kronk
     
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  5. lefthandlead

    lefthandlead Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But he has one of the highest KO percentage in heavyweight boxing.
    But I agree, he wasn't aggressive in the Kronk style.
    Steward yelled and screamed at Lewis in the Tyson fight.
    But he would never let those two go, he knew the talent they had.
     
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  6. Unforgiven

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    Lennox Lewis rarely fought in the style Steward hoped he would either. Steward wanted him to be more like a 245 pound Tommy Hearns. Lewis achieved that on a few occassions but was often too cautious.
    Wlad took that cautious-approach to another level. He was a monster in his own way but it wasn't the style Javan Hill and Tyson Fury seem to be refering to. Wlad didn't need anything added to his style when Steward passed away. Wlad was already 36 by then and was on a winning run and his method was working. He stayed unbeaten another 3 years, winning more 6 fights in a row before the Fury loss.
     
  7. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You have no idea what you're talking about. Vlad was an AGGRESSIVE puncher before he met Steward. He nearly ruined his own career because he either brazenly charged in looking to KTFO someone or he threw knockout shots until he was out of gas. Steward taught him to use his tools in an effective order. Pre-Steward Vlad bombed out a lotta folks.
     
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  8. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sugar Hill teaches a lot differently than Emanuel Steward did which for Wlad would have been to drastic of a change.. Wlad chose Banks because he worked closely with him under the tutelage of Steward before he passed.. At the time of Stewards death Wlad had perfected the passive high guard/power jab early then aggressive hooks late in the fight type of style..
     
  9. gdm

    gdm Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Wlad was almost 40 when he lost, his reflexes were gone. Father time got him. All this bull “wlad was not shot, Fury was just too good” come from delusional Fury fans.
     
  10. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    so it wouldn’t have worked. His aggressive style copped him losses to Ross purrity, fat 38 year old sanders etc

    wlad was best suited as a cautious fighter
     
  11. Bubba

    Bubba worst weekend in boxing history Full Member

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    Lewis fought super cautiously all the time.
     
  12. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wlad was a very aggressive offensive fighter in his early pro-career. He seemed to become more of the defensive-minded, hit and hold type after hooking up with Manny, who saw that that style for Wlad would be hard to beat due to his physical strength. The KO losses to Sander and Brewster damaged his psyche. In the Peter fight he regained some of it, enough to combine with Stewards method to put together one of the longest title reigns in HW history.
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Young Wlad was one of the most destructive offensive forces the HW division has ever seen. I love that Wlad

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  14. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't think so. Wlad was the finished article by the time Manny passed, it was just about maintaining his current level at that point.