Folley V Walcott ?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The sublime Zora Folley V the feinting master Walcott match their skills ..Who takes it ?
    Walcott of the first Louis fight v
    Folley who beat Machen ?
     
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  2. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Battle of the counter-punchers. it may not be exciting but I too would go with Walcott, who had a bit more pop in his punches.
     
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  4. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Walcott in a 1-sided tactical fight

    Dunno what a top 20 h2h heavy is doing against Folley, a middling contender
     
  5. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Walcott 0-2 against Louis, 2-2 against Charles, 0-2 against The Rock.
    But he was Champion for 1 year and 2 months.

    Not necessarily his fault for never getting a title shot against Patterson, but Zora was never a Champion.
     
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  6. ray fritz

    ray fritz Member Full Member

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    Folley was very open to ko loses,Lavorante,doug Jones,Summerlin,young Jack Johnson,and Walcott in his feintin carried a good wallop to ko Zora
     
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  7. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jersey Joe.
     
  8. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He got a title shot against Ali
     
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  9. red cobra

    red cobra Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Walcott wins this with no trouble. A better match would have been Walcott-Machen....always liked Machen better than Folley.
     
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  10. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    (Sorry, my bad) I was thinking about a "Patterson title shot" where he stood a much better chance to win. The Ali title shot,
    Ali said.....was just giving an older, respected fighter a chance to make some money.....being Ali was at his absolute prime...and at the end of the fight Ali just went ahead and just knocked 36 year old Zora out to end the fight.

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    • Muhammad Ali vs. Zora Folley was the first World Heavyweight Championship fight to be held at
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    • Ali was a 7 to 1 betting favorite.
    • The fight was televised by RKO General and Madison Square Garden in more than 150 cities. New York City was blacked out.
    • There was a snowstorm on the day of the fight, which affected attendance.
    • There was a crowd of 13,780.
    • The gross gate was $244,471, which broke the previous Madison Square Garden record of $239,959.
    • Ali collected about $260,000 on his 50 percent of the net gate and $150,000 from ancillary rights. Folley earned his largest purse, about $58,000 on 15 percent of the net and $25,000 from ancillaries.
    • At the time of the knockout, Referee Johnny LoBianca and Judge Frank Forbes had Ali ahead 4-2 in rounds, and Judge Tony Castellano had the fight even, 3-3. The Associated Press had Ali in front 3-2-1.
    • Ali planned to fight
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    Folley did accomplish some things. He cut the ring down on Ali. He hit the champion more often than any other opponent with solid right hands and slip jabs. He did not panic when Ali got cute and, faking and feinting, he forced Ali to miss several good punches. On the negative side—besides being knocked out—he obstinately clung to one stratagem; while moving to his right, he kept looking to throw a right-hand counter. It did not take Ali long to learn that he could go in flat-footed and ram home his good right hand, which so many people doubt he possesses.
    It is also a popular opinion that Ali just played with Folley the first two rounds, but it is more likely that he was measuring Folley's reactions and the strength of his punches. It wasn't until the third round that Ali began working. His straight left hands—not his jab—kept snapping Folley's head back, and these were the punches that started Folley on his way out. At the end of the third round, Ali told his corner that Folley had begun to tire, that his punches had lost some of their life.
    In the fourth, Ali, now punching flat-footed, spun Folley around with a left hook and then banged a right hand in back of his ear. Folley went down; he was flat on his stomach, and then suddenly he was up, his nose streaming blood, and he was kneeling and looking to his corner for the count. Folley raged back, but he had left too much of himself on the floor. Ali, it appeared, carried Folley in the fifth and sixth rounds, but going into the seventh Herbert Muhammad, his manager, told him to "stop playin'." He did. Two rights, the first of which traveled roughly six inches, gave Ali his 29th straight victory and his ninth successful title defense.
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    • "Folley bothered me for a while. He was taking his time and stalking me, but he wasn't fast enough." - Muhammad Ali
    • "There is no one around today who can beat him. I should know, I've fought them all." - Zora Folley
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    • "I still think I can beat any heavyweight but Clay. I'm not ashamed of my showing. I fought well. I gave it all I had." - Zora Folley
    • "Clay has to be rated with the great heavyweight champions." - Murray Rose of the Associated Press
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  11. crixus85

    crixus85 Active Member Full Member

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    In reality, Walcott was 1 - 1 v Louis, from most ringside accounts.

    Jersey had more pep, than the languid Zora, so he's my pick.
     
  12. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Howd you reckon that goes Cobr?
    Your right ,could be a interesting match up .
     
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  13. Woller

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    I think that Folley´s stiff back style would cause him trouble. At a point Walcott would slip Folley´s jab and bang him with heavy hooks, and Folley´s chin was not made of concrete.
     
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  14. Dubblechin

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    Ali actually signed for a rematch with Floyd Patterson (not Bonavena and Spencer) after the Folley fight, but it was called off when he refused induction three weeks later.

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  15. KasimirKid

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    The statement that he never received a title shot is technically incorrect. I agree Folley never fought for the championship while in his prime but don't forget that he finally did get a chance at the crown against Ali in 1967. Zora was past his prime, but it is to Ali's everlasting credit that after he cleaned up the leading contenders he gave old guys who had never had a chance like Folley and Cleveland Williams a shot at the title along with the payday that went with it.
     

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