Food For Thought: What Defines An Opponent As Being Great/Worthy?

Good read. . . . . . Khan still sucks

 

Funniest response I've read today.:rofl

 

Boxing fans will always be huge hypocrites. No matter what opinions they have. It just is what it is.

 

beating Berto

 

This is so true. :yep

If a boxer beats a top class boxer out of nowhere he's suddenly concidered a top class fighter himself even if it was a fluke/one time deal.
Then others that beat him afterwards suddenly get a simular boost, while they wouldn't have had that if they beat him before.

Same bull goes for (former) beltholders that held belt(s) at a very weak period or got it with a box of cereal. They mostly are held in higher regard as stronger fighters that can never capture a belt because they have to deal with a very strong champ or corruption.

 

Ali was the Challenger not Frazier, Joe was was the champion in their first fight.Get your facts straight.

Also Tarver had won two of the belts vacated by Jones when he moved up and he was coming of four straight wins over legitimate top 10 Light heavyweights like Montell Griffin,Reggie Johnson,Chris Johnson and Eric Harding, he was a titlist and a legit challenger with good wins on his record.

I get what you're saying but you have to do a better job at researching.

 

You beat me to it.

 

lol

 

You had guys that were Champions(Frazier,Tarver) as challengers and Challengers(Ali,Jones) as Champions if you meant otherwise like you're saying now you would have said otherwise in the first place,now you're backtracking cause you were caught by others making **** up to make your argument look better ,period.

Or make some stupid claim that Frazier hadnt fought anyone of worth before he fought Ali when Joe had wins over Jimmy Ellis,George Chuvalo,Jerry Quarry,Doug Jones, Eddie Machen and Oscar Bonavena. Just cause you dont know who those guys are or how good they were and probably have never seen any of them fight doesnt mean they were bums or journeyman, Most were top ten ranked heavyweights in a strong era and Ellis for example was a champion who had previously beat Floyd Patterson in one of his title defenses before Frazier destroyed him and took his title, You said Buster Mathis was his best win just cause you saw his undefeated record at boxrec at the time Joe fought him and assumed based on that undefeated record that he was the best win on Joe's ledger when that's not the case.

typical of a boxrec warrior who dreams of fights after seeing a fight result at boxrec instead of actually take the time to watch the fights on film.

Dont try to twist things up you messed up , just own it, learn from it and move on. Next time do some research before starting a thread, that way you will prevent things like this from happening.:deal

 

Minor quibbles with what in general is a pretty solid post:

* Jones was considered the LH champion by most observers, as he had not lost his titles in the ring. Tarver was a legit contender, though, having scored wins over several guys in the Top 10.

* Ellis's win over Patterson was considered dubious at best. Probably better to cite his wins over guys like Quarry and Bonavena.

Just nit-picking, really.

 

No Worries mate.

True that Jones was still considered by some observers like The Ring if i'm not mistaken to still be the man at LHW but there were others(fewer) who had Tarver in his place after he won the WBA and IBF belts vacated by Roy, even jones himself in a recent show about the super middleweights of the 90' said that for him to match Fitzsimmons feat he had to go back down to light heavy and regain his title after taking the title from Ruiz, Jones himself didnt consider himself the champion at 175 anymore, but theres truth in what you said and when the first fight between Tarver and Roy happened most thought that Roy not Tarver was the man at 175 (and in boxing cause he was pfp 1 at the time of the fight).

About Ellis-Patterson you're absolutely right it was one of the controversial losses that Floyd had in his career just like his losses to Maxim and Quarry where most observers had Floyd winning those fights but the judges and the ref gave it to the other guys.I stand corrected.

Always feel free to nit pick-mate, i dont know everything about the sport(far from it) and i'm always open to learn new stuff and being corrected if i'm wrong (was a bit harsh on the OP but we go back a long time so no harm done there, sometimes its him that comes at me others its me,its all for fun its never personal).:good

 

Credentials

 

:hi:
Khan has to beat Berto to earn a shot to Floyd. Karras beat Berto, so he's the next guy lined up for Floyd. :yep