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  1. McGrain

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    Rex Layne v Cesar Brion

    This one is a little controversial. Layne was ranked #2 at the time and Brion was an unranked fighter with potential but no ranking. The decision was a split one in favour of the ranked fighter, and according to the times (who scored it 7-3 for Brion) the decision was roundly booed by "many if not a majority".

    My card:

    Brion: 4,5,7
    Layne: 1,3,8,9,10
    Even: 2,6

    5-3-2 Layne.

    The official cards were 1-4-5, 7-2-1 and 7-3 in Layne's favour, SD.

    NY Times: 7-3 Brion
    AP: 7-3 Layne.
     
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    McGrain, Mar 6, 2011
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    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I started watching it today, and man is it horrible to watch. I watched the first round and had to stop, will give it a watch when I get some time.
     
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    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Don't know why I thought it was so boring last week. Its a pretty good fight wathcing it back. Sure the holding mars it and Layne is awful but Brion has some nice moments and there is some hard exchanges.

    Layne: 1,2,3,7,8,10
    Brion : 4,5,6,9
    Total: 96-94 Layne (6-4)
     
    GPater11093, Mar 12, 2011
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  6. McGrain

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    Yeah, I think it's loads of fun. I like it. But I know what you mean because it's a God-awful bloody mess.

    Not often you and I flat out disagree on a round. I must watch 7 again.

    I'll be expecting an opinion from you on the next fight going into this thread.
     
    McGrain, Mar 12, 2011
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  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Yeh our scorecards are normally close. It is a good fight, just Layne is awful to watch. Brion actually impressed me in his showing against Ezzard Charles, who albeit slipping turned in a very offence-minded performance.

    That is fine by me, I'm guessing its the other bout on the disk I gave you.
     
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    Canto puts on something of a left hand clinic in this, his second fight with Gonzalez. On point with the jab and the hook and is allowed to settle into a rhythm with both. By the end of the third, having still not lost a round, he looks like he is going to win the fight at a canter. Gonzalez is supplying steady pressure but is trying to counter mainly with his own left and is getting firmly outlanded. He's reluctant to lead - he looks to be losing once again due to his most persistent flaw, pressure without leading only here it seems all the more inexcusable for Canto's being so hard to pin down with single shots and for the general culture his left hand brings to proceedings - a difficult fighter to counter-pressure.

    The fight settles into a pattern then that is only interesting, at least up until round 12, for two reasons - one, Canto's continued left-hand clinic and two, Gonzalez dogged insistence on pursuing a plan that is quite clearly bringing him an L.

    In the 12th he starts to step on it a bit, looking more aggressive generally and even pursuing a little infighting. I thought he won some of these late rounds, but it was close.

    Appraising Canto isn't that easy. He isn't exactly put on the spot and he enjoys a near total style advantage (aided by a referee who refuses to allow any holding, at all) and I was left with the feeling that Canto should have looked even better...


    My card: 9-2-4 Canto


    Even: 1, 10

    Gonzalez:4, 12, 13, 15

    Canto: 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 14



    Any of you guys able to sympathise at all with Rafael Cartaya who scored against Canto 144-145? You out there SS, haha.

    The other judges had it 147-144, 149-145.
     
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    McGrain, Mar 13, 2011
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  9. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I'll watch it after supper McGrain. If I remember rightly, Canto looks awesome here.
     
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    What you having?

    Sent you an email.
     
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    You sent him an E-mail about supper?
     
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    I sent him an email about you mother****er, how you made the list. Yeah. You like that?
     
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  13. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    King Rib supper

    :lol::lol:

    Anyway watched Canto-Gonzalez II

    You describe it pretty well, but one thing I always think is overlooked on Canto is his offence.

    Watch how he is feinting constantly and landing that jab throughout the whole fight. Also his combinations are really nice, and he makes good room for them.

    I think thats why he's so hard to counter, he rarely misses and is turned on offensively and defensively.

    I thought he did superb keeping Gonzlez off balance and away with sharp punches. Also most times Gonzalez led he had a counter waiting for him.

    Canto: 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,15
    Gonzalez: 1,14
    Total: 148-137 Canto (13-2)
     
    GPater11093, Mar 13, 2011
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  14. lora

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    I think Gonzalez' fairly stiff legs and footwork troubled him a lot in the last 2 Canto fights, he couldn't really get a straight shot in and take a half-step out of range quick or fluidly enough to avoid the counters, which was the way to trouble Canto imo(as well as Locche, Lora etc).You can't just follow a boxer like canto around the ring like that, unless you maybe have huge power to trade on.

    Gonzalez is much better when he doesn't have someone capable of sliding around just out range and making him do the pressuring.Difficult to imagine how he beat Canto(if indeed he did legitimately) in the first fight.Maybe Miguel was more aggressive and stayed in the pocket longer.I certainly think he would have fared better by trying to get the midget to lead.
     
    lora, Mar 13, 2011
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  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Canto was relaxed and good at leading though. It wouldn't be as if this was out of his comfort zone and it could lead to Canto dictating almost all of the terms.

    Any of you guys seen Canto vs Avelar? I love that fight.
     
    GPater11093, Mar 13, 2011
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