Footage thread

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Aug 28, 2010.


  1. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Amazing to think Kang had only 8 KO's in about 70 fights. He landed some great shots there......had he any power, Ramos would have been in a heap of ****.
     
  2. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    I've got a copy of the first Elorde vs Suh fight lying around somewhere.terrible quality, but good enough to see that Suh fought at least evenly with him.

    Those fights are both considered controversial in South Korean boxing history.Never really bothered to look into them much though.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXKE0x0Byh4[/ame]


    An exciting fight, with Avelar taking the best of the first with aggression and bodypunching, but Lora finishing the round strongly. Avelar looks discouraged at the beginning of the second, and his punches and feet are noticeably short on wings for a spell, and it is then that Lora really begins to find his range.

    Thoughts on the stoppage? Avelar doesn't protest it.
     
  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Superb performance that. Probably the best of Lora I have seen.

    His offence is really sharp for a defensive wizard, those left hooks were snapping in with some force and really tagging Avelar, and they was landing right on the button. And that up jab seemed to catch Avelar completely unaware at times, as did the right uppercut counter he liked to employ in there.

    Masterful performance, he was really making Avelar miss in there and being aggressive with it.

    As for the stoppage I thought it was fair, he had badly hurt Avelar and was not missing with some really hard clean, compact shots and Avelar's half hearted swings were falling way off the mark.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I agree GP, I think it would be a very good eye that would see just this fight and label our man a defensive specialist...your eye is drawn to his offence, which is staggeringly good. Like you, I think this is Lora at his best.
     
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  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    His defence is amazing but he is actually really well rounded. His left hook is really sharp if a bit over used by him, but if you have it, why not throw it?

    I really like Lora, from what I have seen of him he was a real talent. Does anyone know why he didn't quite fulfil it.
     
  7. salsanchezfan

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    I love this fight; Raging B()ll sent it to me on DVD a couple years back. Superb.
     
  8. lora

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    I'd say it was mainly because he stayed at Bantam instead of moving up in weight when it was becoming tough for him to make 118.

    He was having difficulty by the time of the Perez fight and had tired a bit in previous defences despite being in comfortable command.This is especially noticeable if you compare the two Davila fights.

    Maybe he would have moved up had he won the fight with Raul Perez, which was sort of supposed to be an American showcase ie Monzon vs Licata for him.Unfortunately Perez was at the time a very good fighter with freakish proportions for the division that made him a nightmare matchup for pure boxers or counterpunchers without big power.Lora not quite at his sharpest anymore lost a close decision in an excellent fight.

    Then instead of rematching or moving up in weight, he made the bad move of being very inactive for a couple of years and coming back in a WBO bantamweight title fight against a faded Gaby Canizales.After a tentative feeling out round by both fighters, he floored Canizales in the 2nd.

    Overeager and not nearly as sharp or aware anymore he ended up getting caught while trying to finish Canizales off and stopped himself for a shock KO loss.

    Now maybe he could still have had a few good years had he moved up after that, but instead he wasted another couple of years fighting journeymen and came back in another WBO Bantam fight, where he looked washed up, lacking in energy and faded badly against unspectacular Rafael Del Valle.

    That was it for him.


    I'd compare his window of being on top then subsequent downfall to Lionel Rose's to a certain extent.However he lacks being unified champ or the big win over a great fighter to draw attention to him.As well as the fact he wasn't dethroned by someone who established themselves as an enduring great, which would also draw attention.Perez was a very talented fighter(think JMM type combo punching technician, but with better footwork and bigger than Panama al Brown), but he was typically lacking in dedication and quickly went off the rails to be largely forgotten himself.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Here is that mildy depressing fight. Lora's positioning for the KD that did the damage is pretty horrible. He looks over-eager for sure. Credit where it's due though.

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  10. lora

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    I always liked Gaby.inconsistent and had a short prime, but he was a bit of a physical beast when he was on form.Which isn't here really, as the immortal 3 weight world champ Duke McKenzie soon took advantage of

    Lora was probably one of the least safety first great defensive fighters.Definitely got to be sharp and aware the way he fought.
     
  11. McGrain

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    He was fun; weird that he doesn't have more exposure.
     
  12. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Cheers for that lora. He was a very good fighter in his day, shame it wasnt his day for long.

    I have a few fights of Perez, he was a pretty decent fighter himself.

    I'll need to watch the Canizales fight tommorrow.
     
  13. McGrain

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    I wouldn't go quite so far as to call this an out and out clinic as many of the rounds are close, and some are downright messy, but it's one of the best displays i've seen at fly. Gonzalez is on a fifteen fight unbeaten streak here, is champion, and had just KO'd Oguma. I think it's more impressive than what Ali did versus Terrell considering the opponent, and I think the performance is not dis-similar, only Ibarra can hook :D

    Ibarra seems determined to force Gonzalez to lead in the first but Gonzalez won't be baited so Ibarra with stiff flurries that back Gonzalez up. Ibarra then seems to realise what he has and spends more time leading, introducing the right hand in earnest in the second. He wins all of the early rounds in my view but Gonzalez is landing good body punches throughout, which I always feel is going to pay dividends later on. Ibarra is so well conditioned though, that he doesn't really slow down until very very late in the fight, and even then it's just that he starts to look disorganised. Gonzalez has his moments. In 4 he looks for a minute like he might solve the Ibarra jab, small moves and trusting to his reactions a bit more, but it makes him pensive - he gets caught, for stretches, between trying to ditch Ibarra's punches and score his own.

    Gonzalez actually looks done by the end of the ninth/beginning of the tenth, shuffling forwards and landing punches without pep, but he rallies beautifully to make the last third of the fight as interesting as the first.

    But for me, this is a near shut out.

    Ibarra: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,13

    Gonzalez: 12

    Even: 14,15


    I'll be honest, when I rewatched it, I wasn't sure why i'd given Gonzalez the 12th! I'm very interested in any cards, especially SS's (I know you had it close chum) as I want to see how many rounds boys give Gonzalez. The odd thing is I was really looking for reasons to give him rounds, because I like him, and my card was getting silly - then again, Ibarra isn't getting a close decision in Venezuala, is he? :D

    For those of you who enjoy this kind of thing, have fun, I really think this is a rare and great performance by a grossly under-exposed fighter. For anyone just browsing, maybe give this fight a go! If this doesn't make you love a slickster southpaw flyweight nothing will :lol:
     
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  14. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great looking footage. Add Ibarra to the list of really good to great lighter weight fighters who got little more than their result printed in the magazines back in the day. Can't wait to watch this ASAP.
     
  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Will definitely have to watch this soon, you give him a good recommendation.

    Is it more impressive than the way Canto dealt with Gonzalez?