Footwork - the best ever?

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  1. ricardoparker93

    ricardoparker93 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'd like your suggestions on who has the best footwork of all time! I think there is obvious bias to guys who move backwards in this category (sweet pea comes to mind) so i'm looking for a man who could move bacwards and forwards with equal grace. Used his feet to set up his punches, sucker in opponents and as a means of defence.

    Who was a man who could do the lot brilliantly? Your thoughts! :good
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Hagler, Leonard, Clay/Ali, Gans, Whitaker, Pep, prime Byrd...

    I'm not necessarily nominating any of these guys, just rattling off those with superior footwork as they spring to mind.
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Locche.
     
  4. stevebhoy87

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    Walcott, Robinson and Napoles
     
  5. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tunney, Hopkins when you like textbook footwork
     
  6. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali (60s)
    Willie Pep
    Both Sugar Ray`s (not Mosely)
     
  7. teeto

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    For footwork, the way i see great footwork and balance etc-

    Benny Leonard, Willie Pep, Jose Napoles, Sugar Ray Robinson, Bernard Hopkins, Luis Rodriguez (side to side at its best), Jersey Joe Walcott, Jiro Watanabe, Muhammad Ali, Pernell Whitaker (not in the technical sense at all times, but you can't knock the effectiveness), Tommy Loughran.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think this is a meanginless question these days.

    Ali has had a few mentions in the thread, and rightly so. He's a good pick. But his footwork is not economical. I read that Ali was preparing a variation on the rope-a-dope as early as Liston I, becuase he knew that he couldn't box in his natural style for 15 rounds against a predator. The reason is flamboyant footwork where he takes many more steps than he needs to going backwards and sideways. So, brilliant footwork to see, in terms of technical difficulty executed with great ease and perfect footwork for enhancing his style (most important criteria) but - who's to say that it's better footwork than Joe Louis had?

    Louis was easier to hit becuase of his footwork, often lablelled "shuffling". Nobody contrasts more violently with Muhammad, he is so inelegant by comparison. But Louis's footwork perfectly enhanced his style, also. It was economical in the extreme. Consqueuently Louis carried his power extremely late, and he devastated some of his trickiest opponents late in fights because of this. It worked beautifullly to tempt opponents just into his range whilst moving forwards, an absolute cornerstone of his style. A second cornerstone is that he was always in punching position. So brilliant footwork, that I would say is arguably better than Ali's.

    So it's a a very difficult question with no right answer which is probably why nobody has yet offered up a single name. Your question is a bit easier because you want a guy who is more modern. I offer you Hasegawa. Here is a fighter that came up with slight balance issues, corrected them and started knocking everyone out. Beautiful, elegant footwork that is also non-showy and all about the next punch. It's enabled him to tear a huge whole in the division.
     
  9. red cobra

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    Willie Pastrano. The guy depended on his legs..he had great footwork and influenced Ali. Willie's pal Ralph Dupas was another with a very similar style.
     
  10. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I agree with you.

    But i also want to say that Ali's footwork is phenomenal, even though it's not correct, economical, or many other things desirable, it is effective, tremendously.

    I'm glad we've went into a different area of the subject of the topic here though. For cutting off the ring, Julio Cesar Chavez. That art can't be understated.
     
  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Watch Louis vs Max Baer...he was downright nimble. I wonder why he abandoned that aspect of his style in favor of the shuffle. He never looked better or more complete than against Baer.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Ali is as good a pick for #1 as you are going to get.

    Agree with you about cutting the ring off. I watched De La Hoya-Mayweather the other day and Oscar actually does this really really beautifully for rounds 2, 3 and 4.
     
  13. teeto

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    I'm big on fighters who are able to circle their opponents mid-ring personally, but without giving away much distance. That's why i said Jiro Watanabe.
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He often varied his footwork though.

    I think the best example are the two Godoy fights, he's very stationary in one (infuriatingly so in a dull fight) and then much more nible in two.

    Blackburn was very keen to get him down off his toes, of course.
     
  15. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Really? That's interesting, i only watched the fight live and then again the next day. I remember him pinning him against the ropes in the first half of the fight a lot though so it makes sense.

    Very nice touch with Hasegawa, i've been catching up with him a lot lately. Is this thing with Montiel on or what?