For a guy with terrible fundamentals, Wilder still has precision pin point accuracy with his KOs

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  1. El Gallo Negro

    El Gallo Negro Active Member banned Full Member

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    All his best KOs seem much more like perfectly placed right hands then they do just a guy with overwhelming power..

    Ortiz, Duhapas (or Spilka, they both look the same), Breazelle....even the KDs on Fury....all pin point missile strikes that you barely saw coming

    This goes against the narrative that Wilder is just some limited guy throwing haymakers until one lands (although he did sort of fight that way in Fury II)

    So I guess my question would be how do you have such poor fundamentals, lack of foot work, sub par defense, yet be so precise with your KOs?

    People say all Wilder has is his power, but I think that timing is what it is more so than the power....
    And timing is a hard skill to master. Mayweather's the king of timing his opponents, but even he doesn't put em to sleep like Wilder
     
  2. FromBuenosAires

    FromBuenosAires Active Member Full Member

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    he is not precise, he just spams the same straight over and over until it lands, even if it means getting completely outboxed in the process. what wilder does is the opposite of precision since he does a lot of wasteful movement and punching. if you want precision punching look to roman gonzalez, linares, canelo,etc.
     
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  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Wilder is the most powerful heavyweight in history alongside Shavers, he has that rare one punch KO power.
     
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  4. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  5. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Yep—-Windmills are very accurate
     
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  6. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Every punch Wilder misses powers the lights in the arena.
     
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  7. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Than why he couldn't drop Duhaupas or Stevern? Or even shot Arreola?
    Even glass jaw Szpilka took a lot of his punches until he gassed.
     
  8. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    On a highlight reel he’s pretty accurate but if you watch his full fights and actually think this, you should log off.
     
  9. kostya by ko

    kostya by ko Boxing Addict

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    It's kind of like he's become very proficient at getting results out of his highly unorthodox style.

    But my main gripe with Wilder is that I want to see how top tier HWs deal with this style. So far, in all these years, the only reference points on this have been past prime Ortiz and long lay-off Fury 1 (Fury 2 dealt with it). There are so many fighters which would have made interesting Wilder fights which never eventuated across a lot of years.
     
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  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually now that i think about it although Wilder has minimal boxing ability there was one time where he showed decent ring IQ.

    In the first Tyson Fury fight. Every time Wilder went for the head, Fury ducked in the same spot and Wilder would miss with the straight. In round 12 Wilder threw a short jab that sets up Fury for a 2 punch combination, and when he baits Fury into ducking, he immediately followed up with an overhand right that he throws downwards and it lands flush then he lands a left hook. It took him 12 rounds to figure it out though lol

    But yeah besides that... No ring IQ
     
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  11. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Wilder is naturally a very strong guy to begin with and his straight right hand along with his ability to connect if he gets the ideal space is very good. Also, Wilder’s punching mechanics are also good, since he rotates his hips and shoulders into his punches, which is something a lot of heavyweights don’t do anymore and Wilder’s hand speed is also very good for his size when he isn’t carrying too much weight. That said two major problems Wilder has are his inefficient footwork and not being able to adjust when guys don’t give him space to time his right hand. Sadly, Wilder had several chances over the years to fix these problems, but due to his stubbornness chose not to.

    An example of a guy with terrible punching mechanics is Joseph Parker, since whether he’s working on the heavybag on competing in a fight he rarely gets his weight behind his punches, which is surprising because from first hand experience of seeing him work at Gossens’s gym years ago I know Kevin Barry is a good coach, so I can only guess Barry just as he’s gotten older doesn’t have to patience to polish up his fighters anymore. Just based on how bad Parker’s bag work was I bet on Whyte to win, which he did.
     
  12. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Couple of things going on here.

    1) Texas sharpshooter effect. You are looking at the one punch that manages to land, as opposed to the dozens of flailing, amateurish or telegraphed ones that don't. By the same token, I am a master bowler because I once accidentally hit a 7-10 split when drunk.

    2) He fights guys with severe high blood pressure, rhabdomyolys, part-time school teachers, and other no-hopers, so he does not exactly have to worry too much about getting hit back.
     
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  13. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It’s weird because with the first stiverne fight he showed great boxing ability and had promise but then he changed completely after that, it made no sense.
     
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  14. gdm

    gdm Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    just by looking at your username I remember some of the very best days of my life that I spent in buenos aires. Beautiful city.
     
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  15. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And he maintained the mechanics late in fights. There are very few HWs currently who maintain their form for 12 rounds.

    I think it's a matter of believing in his own legend. He was developing a jab and a set of effective tactics for delivering his right hand to go along with being more athletic than the competition, but that development stopped and he put on weight.

    Could have just been age and lack of focus but I think part of it was believing the only way forward was to get stronger.
     
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