For all intents and purposes, did Fury beat Wilder 3 times?

My view on the 1st fight, is even though I had it 115-113 to Fury even with the knockdowns, the fact remains that the ref gave Fury a LOT of time to recover on the 2nd knockdown - so that kind of evens it out and feel that a draw is fair in that respect in that a different ref in a different venue might have waved it off.

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I think round 12 can be debated. Fury got dropped but came back strong was it an even round? I don't think so. I think 10/9 or 10/8 is fair in favour of Wilder.

I have clearly stated in several posts already that Fury just does enough to win the round and that I would prefer a higher output but that's just Fury's style. That being said he was the ring general clearly in the fight and made Wilder look like the amateur he is. It doesn't matter if you land 2 more or 20 more. It's still more than the opponent.

I think the expression on both fighters faces tells the whole story. Wilder looked relieved and Fury looked disapointed with the draw.

Please give me an instance in boxing history when a draw was contested.. It doesn't happen unless PEDS or some other serious infringement occurs.

Please explain how getting up of the deck is lucking out?

Tyson showed determination to get back off the deck and proceeded to get on Wilders case finishing the round strongly.

Theres no luck in that pal none at all.




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People who fall back on 'another ref might have called it off' need to find a better point to argue.

The ref thought that Fury was capable of fighting on, and he more than proved the ref right when he got up and went at Wilder....so your whole arguement is that another ref might have made the wrong decision and called the fight off as soon as he hit the canvas? Really?

 

Do you think based on this video that the referee gave him a slow count? Everything always looks slower on the telly due to different angles and all that jazz.

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Yes, I believe out of 3 fights Wilder won only 6 rounds. This was an extremely lopsided trilogy. Barely worthy of being a trilogy to be honest

 

I didn't want the fight to be stopped. I never said I did. Wilder and Fury are two of my favorite fighters. They're both great. I was totally fine with the draw. I still am. I think it's more than fair. I was surprised when they called it a draw. After the second knockdown, I knew Fury wasn't going to win. But I didn't think he'd get a draw. I was happy for both of them. One boxed great. One landed his hard shots and got his knockdowns. It ended in a draw. Great night.

I said we've seen fights stopped with guys far less hurt than Fury, who admitted he was out on the way down, laying flat on his back staring at the ceiling. And I have. TONS of fights stopped for less. The rematch, for example, was stopped when Wilder wasn't even down. He was standing in the corner throwing a punch when the fight was stopped. And immediately protested. And fired his trainer for doing so.

Was Wilder hurt? Yes. Was he knocked unconscious to the floor and laying flat on his back before regaining his senses, like Fury in fight 1? No.

Fury knocked him out in fight 3. That's how you end a fight with a stoppage. That's why I love KOs. They are conclusive. So, three years later, you don't have to listen to people drone on and on about how "they" scored it.

Like I give a **** how anyone scores anything years later, or how many "rounds they thought" someone won, after watching and rewatching rounds over and over again.

There is nothing more 'douchey' than someone wanting everyone to know "how they scored it."

Nobody cares.

 

Right. They should've ended it after fight one. Never had a rematch.

How many successful defenses would Wilder have by now? Thirteen or fourteen?

 

Everybody will tell you that the type of beatings that can really harm a fighter, are the slow prolonged ones. Wilders corner stopped the second fight because he was out on his feet for multiple rounds and wasn't displaying any sign whatsoever of being able to turn it around.

And you say that you were surprised that Fury got the draw in the first fight? I mean the only reasonable response to that from myself would be to ask how many rounds you believe Wilder won outside of the two with knockdowns in...but you have already established that you won't be sharing that info.

I, like most, was surprised that Wilder earned a draw (and so was he by the looks of it) but in all fairness the trilogy is surely put to bed now anyway? Even if you are in the minority that belive fight 1 was a draw....then its 1 draw and 2 stoppage wins for Fury. Case closed. We know who the better fighter is. Why this is still being discussed so frequently is beyond me lol maybe the hate for Wilder is just really that strong.

Hopefully we get to see Wilder against another high level operator soon and we can then judge his place amongst the current heavies a bit easier.

 

Agreed.

Hate blinds people to the notion that the challenger who landed 13 more punches over 12 rounds and who got dropped hard twice, somehow "dominated" and deserved to win the title from the reigning WBC champ.

Some wear their hate proudly. They can even look at a video of a fighter getting outlanded two to one and getting dropped hard to the deck and insist that "looks like an even round to me."

I've been listening to them for years.

Sometimes, you just have to call them out on it. But even that gets boring.

A hater's going to hate, I guess.

 

You've just been arguing about lineage. So surely in your mind Fury was the defending champion and Wilder was the challenger?

 

They were fighting for Wilder's WBC title in fight one. I've always tried to make that destinction when I spoke about the fight.

Just like I've always criticized Ring Magazine for ranking Fury as World Champ to start the year 2018 and ranking him the #2 contender and the Title Vacant at the end of 2018 in a year when Fury fought three times and didn't officially lose a fight.

The "Ring" title debacle involving Fury in 2018 is, IMO, probably worse than the Ring's US Championship ratings scandal in 1977.

For the U.S. Championships, they made special ratings for a U.S. tournament and took bribes to rate fighters. But there were just ratings for a U.S.-based tournament.

They didn't screw around with their ACTUAL world ratings.

For Fury, they stopped recognizing him as WORLD champion due to inactivity the same year he fought THREE TIMES. Like our discussion in the other thread, it's like a group of writers for Ring decided to flex their muscles and within a month or two of them saying Fury is NO LONGER THE WORLD CHAMP ... he announces his return.

Then they have to reverse course and try to rate him somewhere ...

A classic example of a group of NOBODIES on the sidelines deciding they didn't want a guy as champ anymore and it blew up in their faces.

 

yes, to anyone not a blind fanboy

 

Well as defending lineal champion Fury retained his claim with the victory in fight 1.

 

Yes, first fight was close but I thought Fury won.

He dominated the other two.