For all that say unrine is enough, read this and then STFU

very good at twisting things around when you lose an arguement aren't you? I asked you why this has blown up suddenly. Your response "people will always talk more AFTER a tragic event". Meaning the tragic event had already happened. Now it switches to "imagine a tragic event happening". And you have the nerve to insult me. Unbelievable.

 

Why bring this up like it is something new?

We have one (one only) person posting here who is remotely qualified to speak on this subject.

They have already confirmed what Tygart is saying. HGH cannot be detected in urine samples. However, the effect that it has on the body certainly can be detected.

It has already been established that there is nothing that urinalysis cannot detect - whether directly or by picking up on direct effects.

Interesting that Tygart doesn't mention this vital piece of information, isn't it? It's amazing how people will distort the truth when they have an agenda.

Like this thread.

 

When did I say what you put in quotes? If you're going to quote me, quote the exact words I said - not what you WANT to believe.

Let me give you a few examples you moronic ****:

September 11, 2001 - as a result of this, airport security increased dramatically

Airplane crashes have led to more advanced methods for building and designing safer aircrafts and better mechanical practice on them.

What I'm basically saying is we usually react to something due to a mishap or unfortunate event...Why must we sit around and wait until something bad happens? Only then do we react and make changes so it does not happen again but instead we should look for ways to preventing these misfortunes...If boxing is already a dangerous sport, why can we not look to the future and use the best possible alternatives for ensuring the safety and integrity of not only the fighters, but the sport itself. Why use old methods that have been proven to be beatable? Why not start now - the biggest fight in boxing history? Like I said, you're just butthurt that it is Manny Pacquiao, but in reality, he is NOT being singled out - Floyd Mayweather would also be undergoing the same tests.

By your logic, you would rather sit around and wait for someone to confess their steroid use, quite possibly after that person inflicted life threatening/changing damages to his opponent.

 

How many has been caught before? Why didnt they start this stricter testing since this tragedy happen. Someone been caught before right?

If what you say is true. From there on this olympic style drugs test better be happening from now on and not just a one off test for PAC which is wrong.

Let the commission decide what they should do and not some crack head.

 

Shane Mosley has gotten away with using illegal substances...What makes Pac any different? Testing in this sport should've been more stringent back a long time ago - if Mayweather Sr. has an agenda with Pacquiao, it's not my problem. I agree however, that boxing and all other sports should look to implement the best testing methods possible. The whole money excuse, while a fact, is totally bogus. How much money does a person's life cost? Exactly...

 

Couldn't resist eh?

Whether your quote was exact or not, the meaning was the same. I didn't realise I was writing an academic paper here. Sue me.

"Moronic ****"? Jeez someones mad. Starting insults and calling me a 12 year old. Oh I'm sorry, you never called me a 12 year old, you just asked me.


Let's rewind shall we. I asked you why this has suddenly blown up. Simple question. Your reply was that people will talk more after a tragic event (no quotation marks here, is that better?). I am asking you, what is this tragic event that caused this issue to blow up. You have no answer because there is no tragic event except for Mayweather sr making accusations. End of discussion. But no, you then twisted it like you always do when you lose, and you know it.

comparing 9/11 to boxing? You have to do better than that.

 

Well this testing is not happening yet is it? I doubt pro boxers are going to agree with this new rules though.

If you are thinking about dangers to boxers health, how many boxers have died due to head injuries, brain damage, etc etc? Why not put head protection and use bigger gloves, do you think this is going to happen? I doubt it somehow.

 

uhh lets see, the fact that Mosely was proven guilty?

You know what, I actually agree with your point about better testing. If better tests are available then the commision should enforce the same rules and make everybody do these same tests. That's my point which you would see if you stopped foaming at the mouth and being so mad.

The only issue I have is why focus on Pacquiao when everyone else does the same tests? Do you or any of these other ESB drug testing experts make a fuss about this when Paul Williams fights? or Cotto? Or DLH? or the Klitschkos? I highly doubt it. There have been super fights in the past, were you saying the same thing then? It looks to me like you just have an agenda against Pac rather than caring about the safety of boxers.

Why do I think this? Because you just compared Pac against Mosely (a guy who has been PROVEN to be guilty). What makes Floyd any different to Mosely then? What makes Amir Khan any different to Mosely? If you're so concerned about safety then why aren't you so passionate about the tests being enforced for Mosely v Berto or Khan v Malignaggi or Tyson Fury v McDermott? I'm not the one with an agenda here yet we all know how you feel about Pacquiao, and how much hate you have for his fans.

Again I ask, why suddenly an issue with Pac? You're the one who said that we should sort this out before a tragic event happens so in that case make some threads about how all other fighters should folow the same tests you advocate, don't concentrate on just Pacquiao. Or did some tragic event happen which makes it okay to focus on Pacquiao? Which one is it, you can't have it both ways.

How much is a human life worth you ask? Apparently better testing is only important in a super fight involving Pac. It seems the lives of other boxers i.e. not Pacqcuiao opponents are not as important.

 

Again, you completely dismiss the purpose of my post...here:

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I couldnt care less if Roach was making these accusations against Mayweather or any other fighter...Just sayin

 

In that case, go and write to the commision stating your concern about the health and safety of the fighters. Hopefuly they will do something about it and make it a permanent change. I want to see that happening too :good

 

I have no agenda against Pac - Pac however has declined the random testing. That is my whole issue here. I understand your point in asking "why Pac" but Pac is not the only one who will be undergoing the tests - Floyd will be as well. If the commissions or whoever decides to implement blood testing, it has to start somewhere - why not Pac and Floyd?

 

I dont buy all this **** about Manny Pac being too superstitious to have blood taken before a fight. Looks a bit like a smokescreen to me.

When any world-class athlete starts making those kinds of excuses to avoid drug-testing then you have to ask some serious questions. Couple that with the anecdotal, but relevent, evidence of sharply increase performance against much larger and stronger fighters (Hatton, De La Hoya and Cotto) and well, you do the math.

Be interesting to see if Pac's career can handle this or not.

 

We all should :good

 

The problem with WADA is that they have very strict criteria when testing is done. It is in their website - but if a specimen is tested positive, a second sample is required, and so on and so on, that even those that do doping can get away with it.

Even laboratory procedures have to be thoroughly tested for accurcy, reproducibility, etc, that it takes time for a testing procedure to be accepted. In the end, current testing procedures can not detect some drugs. Evenetually, technology catches up but by then, samples are already 3-5 years old, meaning events had already happened.

That is just the way the coin rolls.

 

If I was in Pacs shoes I probably would give into the demands just to shut everyone up. It's a huge fight, a lot of money, the fans wanna see it etc. However, I totally understand where Pacquiao is coming from in saying no. If you were a boxer and your potential opponent had 40 previous opponents who were not asked to do the same tests, you would be pretty pissed off and asking "hold up, why me?". I would also be wondering when it would end. If I agreed to blood tests (which Pac has) would people then say "blood tests are beatable". If I did a lie detector test would people say "it's beatable". If I give in now, what will they demand next? What authority does Floyd sr or Team Mayweather have? These are the thoughts that would be going through my mind.

I mean I'm not allowed to post this link but look on the scene of boxing and there's an article about Marquez. Richard Schaefer says in that article that any golden boy fighter vs Pacquiao would have to include Olympic style drug testing. See how this has gotten out of hand from just one comment by sr? Why didn't Schaefer say that any golden boy fighter against ANY fighter would have to include Olympic style drug testing? I have no problem woth that but why say only Pacquiao? That's the problem I've had from the beginning. He's being singled out and it's wrong.