For all you pac haters - proof & concrete evidence

Manjuice · Jan 11, 2010

Wow. This guy tried do research and still managed to contridict himself. In the first paragraph he says the blood is drawn weeks before the event. Two paragraphs later he says the blood is taken mounths not weeks before an event.
Who gives a **** anyway. Pacman is fighting clottey and Floyd is fighting a punching bag.
Floyd was a dick for asking for the test. Manny was guilty by omission for refusing. **** pinky pride and all the **** the fans think matter. That muthafuka doesn't want to get caught on juice. Case closed. Floyds a *****. Manny's a juicer.
The end

AFBlues · Jan 11, 2010

There will always be haters on both sides. No matter what concrete evidence you may have, haters will completely ignore the facts. Haters are blinded by their ignorance, hate, prejudice, profanity, and loyalty to their favorite boxer. I like a healthy discussion but when things get out of hand in a thread don't bother to argue, it will lead you to nowhere.

Farmboxer · Jan 11, 2010

Void will never get into a ring with Pac. I knew that from the start and so did Void, Sr.!

Void Sr. said that he did not want Void, Jr. to fight Pac. He said this right after Pac beat Cotto! No wonder Void is afraid of Pac!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

totsboy · Jan 11, 2010

planetzion said: ↑

i got to the part that said mayweathers style requires little energy....and stopped...

**** off

less energy then pac maybe but little energy no...****en ******ed comment but then again they are 2 different bodies and make ups so you cant really split the hairs as cleanly as that
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well youre the one ******ed because most people agree on that statement..

**** off

divac · Jan 11, 2010

Manjuice said: ↑

Wow. This guy tried do research and still managed to contridict himself. In the first paragraph he says the blood is drawn weeks before the event. Two paragraphs later he says the blood is taken mounths not weeks before an event.
Who gives a **** anyway. Pacman is fighting clottey and Floyd is fighting a punching bag.
Floyd was a dick for asking for the test. Manny was guilty by omission for refusing. **** pinky pride and all the **** the fans think matter. That muthafuka doesn't want to get caught on juice. Case closed. Floyds a *****. Manny's a juicer.
The end
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The truth can sometimes be very funny!

Post of the month!:good

Farmboxer · Jan 11, 2010

Where is Void? In the chicken house.

Void is void as Void is void as Void is altogether, see how Void runs like pigs from a gun see how Void flies.

Void Sr. said that he did not want Void, Jr. to fight Pac. He said this right after Pac beat Cotto! No wonder Void is afraid of Pac!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sdsfinest22 · Jan 11, 2010

thugnerdx1 said: ↑

I am going to offer proof as to why PAC-MAN does not want some one poking needles to draw blood from him within 2 weeks of a fight.

I ACCEPT ANY AND ALL REBUTTLES THAT ARE ACTUALLY INTELLIGENT AND BACKED BY EVIDENCE. NONE OF THIS WITCH HUNT STUFF. IF THERE IS NO PROOF OR EVIDENCE TO BACK A CLAIM, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT.

PAC HATERS Argument #1 - Drawing blood would not affect PAC's performance.

Evidence #1 - Olympic athletes use a method called blood doping to enhance their performance before an event. This is the technique of drawing blood several weeks in advance and then reinjecting this blood right before an event to have a surplus which would increase performance.

"Controlled studies of this technique have suggested a 5% to 30% improvement in measures of endurance."

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/408596_4

BOXING FANS Conclusion #1 - Because the increase of blood increases endurance, the decrease of blood decreases performance. This would back up the statement by PAC that drawing blood for tests affects his performance, in particular endurance.

PAC HATERS Argument #2 - Mayweather would also be subjected to the drawing of blood and therefore the decrease in endurance.

Evidence #2 - Mayweather's style requires very little energy and resources because of his defensive style. Mayweather is not the agressor. Pacquiao's style is aggressive, so proper endurance is key to maintain the same type of aggression in the later rounds. Mayweather's style capitalizes on the inability of fighters to sustain aggression and eventually gas out.

Reference - Mayweather vs Judah. Mayweather basically slept throughout the fight until the 9th round. By then, Judah's punches were no longer crisp. Mayweather then began picking Zab Judah apart in the 9th. Zab was probably one of the only fighter's that could beat Mayweather, mainly due to his speed. But it could not carry him through the fight. Thus, Mayweather pulled through on a decision.

BOXING FANS Conclusion #2 - Gassing out an opponent late in the rounds would give Mayweather the needed edge to defeat an opponent.

PAC HATERS Argument #3 - Mayweather's style does not require MORE energy than PAC-MAN's.

Evidence #3 - PAC threw 580 punches against DLH. Mayweather threw 481 punches against DLH. That is a 100 punch difference (against the same person opponent) which requires a much greater endurance level. They both fought DLH and both beat DLH, but one style used more energy. Mayweather even stated that, "He weakened DLH for PAC-MAN." So PAC-MAN had to use more energy than Mayweather on a weakened opponent.

Conclusion #3 - Offense requires energy. Pacquiao's style require's more total energy than Mayweather in order to beat an opponent. Mayweather can beat the same opponent with a less total energy requirement than Pacquiao.

PAC HATERS Argument #4 - How the heck would Mayweather know that blood drawn would affect Pacquiao so much and give Mayweather the edge needed to pull out a win??

Evidence #4 - PAC gave a public interview after the Morales fight long before any questions about steriods use were in question, stating that he lost his fight to Morales because he felt weak after taking a blood test 2 weeks prior to his fight.

"PAC stated that in his first clash with Erik “El Terrible” Morales, the records of his Los Angeles blood and others tests were lost and Pacquiao was ordered by the NSAC to undergo another blood test a couple of days before the fight. Despite vehement protests Pacquiao was forced to take the test to prevent the possibility of the Commission not allowing the fight to take place. Trainer Freddie Roach said later that the late blood test had affected Pacquiao and that was one of the reasons he lost to Morales in their first fight."

BOXING FANS Conclusion #4 - Knowing the great lengths and sneaky and unsportmanslike tactics that the Mayweather's camp will use to protect PBF's pristine record. They learned of this weakness and demanded this as a requirement in order to have a fight. In an interview with Mayweather about his fight with Pacquiao, Mayweather stated, "Pacquiao can be defeated, he has been defeated before, there is a known formula to Pacquiao, Mayweather [himself] has not been defeated, there is no known formula. Pacquiao gave away this formula to beat him in a public interview. Mayweather being the cunning strategist that he is, is now using it to his advantage to pin Pacquiao in a corner. It is a win win situation for Mayweather, if PAC does not accept his demands, this will create doubt in the minds of easily persuaded people.

PAC HATERS Argument #5 - How do we really know that blood drawn 2 week's prior to a fight can actually affect someone??

Back to the subject of blood doping. When an athelete would remove blood from their system to store for use prior to an event, the athelete would have to have the blood drawn month's in advance before an event, NOT WEEKS. This is because the body needs to restore the red blood count back to a normal level.

"Our bodies continuously replace the lost RBC’s , but in blood removed from the body, the number of RBC’s steadily decline, never to be replaced. It usually takes 3 to 8 weeks for a person to re-establish normal RBC levels"

http://www.texarkanacollege.edu/~mstorey/beckham.html

BOXING FANS Conclusion #5 - It is medically proven to take 3 - 8 weeks to re-establish normal RBC levels. This means that blood drawn within 2 weeks of a fight would guarentee a drop in performance due to a low blood count. Multiple blood tests starting anywhere within 2 MONTHS of a fight would have an effect.

PAC HATERS Argument #6 - OK, so this prove's that drawing blood can weaken the sytem, but it still does not mean that PAC is not hiding something sinister.

Pacquiao agreed to have a blood test drawn within 24 hours of the fight! HE IS WILLING TO CLEAR ANY DOUBT IN ANYONE'S MIND!! THIS WOULD SUFFICE ANY QUESTION ABOUT STERIODS WHATSOEVER. YOU CANNOT WASH AWAY ANY STERIOD TRACES WITHIN ONE DAY. THE QUICKEST ONE TAKES 4 DAYS, MOST TAKE 3 WEEKS TO 18 MONTHS.

BOXING FANS #6 FINAL CONCLUSION - MAYWEATHER DID NOT WANT TO FIGHT PACQUIAO. THE TEST WITHIN 24 HOURS TO PROVE HE IS CLEAN DOES NOT MATTER. IT IS THE WEAKENING OF PAC-MANS FEROCIOUSNESS AND FIGHTING SPIRIT THAT IS IMPORTANT.

MAYWEATHER IS AN EXCELLENT PR STRATEGIST. HE HAS DUCKED SO MANY SO FAR AND EVEN CONVINCED MANY SHEEP TO BELIEVE HIM. PACQUIAO HAS MAINTAINED SPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT AND I HOPE HE SUES THE **** OUT OF MAYWEATHER.
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u make a good argument with the Pacquiao interview...the rest of that **** is not even fact (UNDERLINED WHAT THE THREAD STARTER MISJUDGED AS "FACT")...when u talk about spending more energy etc...thats your opinion...ur opinion on the Zab fight too-NOTHING REALLY FACTUAL ABOUT THAT..UR TRYING TO TALK STRATEGY AND TRUTH IS U DONT KNOW THE STRATEGY BEHIND FLOYD...HE WAS TOLD TO COME FORWARD AFTER A FEW ROUNDS AND THATS ABOUT ALL WE KNOW....

PLEASE DON'T GET ON HOLES IN ARGUMENTS CUZ PACQUIAO FANS HAVE 433545234 THEM...

TALK ABOUT HOLES IN ARGUMENTS...THE FU34 IS IT ROACH- "GIVE ME A 5 DAY WINDOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT"...HMMM

BOB ARUM CAUGHT LYING....THAN TURNING THE 14 DAY STORY AROUND ON FLOYD ONLY TO CATCH HIMSELF CUZ HE KNEW THE DAMN MEDIATOR WAS GONNA EXPOSE THAT AS A LIE TOO....

THAN THE NEEDLES...O YA...PAC'S STUPID ASS DIDN'T BOTHER TO LOOK AT HIMSELF IN THE MIRROR WHEN HE MADE THAT DAMN EXCUSE...

30 DAYS MY ASS TOO...U TOOK BLOOD WITH RICKY 24 DAYS BEFORE THE FIGHT...

THAN IT'S "WE'LL DO IT, BUT WITHOUT THE USADA"...FLOYD BACKS OFF THAT PART IN "NO USADA" AND THEY COME UP WITH "LETS LET THE NSAC DECIDE"..

FUC4 ALL THAT...WHY DID IT GO PAST THE NEEDLES AND THE BLOOD DRAW THEORY? WHY DID PAC'S PEOPLE LIE ABOUT THE WINDOW NEEDED WHEN THEY SAID 5 DAYS WHEN U KNEW DAMN WELL U WOULDN'T TAKE 5 DAYS? WHY DID U SAY U DON'T EVER TEST WITHIN 30 DAYS WHEN YOU HAVE?? ALL THESE LITTLE EXCUSES AND THE FACT THAT THEIR ARE SO MANY OF THEM MAKE ME WONDER...HIS FIRST STORY SHOULD HAVE HELD UP...EVEN HIS 2ND STORY..THERE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ANYTHING MORE THAN THAThi:

bcastro · Jan 11, 2010

Hey man your putting way too much into this...LOL I am not going to read through that for sure.

dodong · Jan 11, 2010

Manjuice said: ↑

Wow. This guy tried do research and still managed to contridict himself. In the first paragraph he says the blood is drawn weeks before the event. Two paragraphs later he says the blood is taken mounths not weeks before an event.
Who gives a **** anyway. Pacman is fighting clottey and Floyd is fighting a punching bag.
Floyd was a dick for asking for the test. Manny was guilty by omission for refusing. **** pinky pride and all the **** the fans think matter. That muthafuka doesn't want to get caught on juice. Case closed. Floyds a *****. Manny's a juicer.
The end
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... Floyd's a ***** and a cheat... Xylocaine:deal.

RealBoxing · Jan 11, 2010

Big_Bill_Bronzy said: ↑

That's a big pile of ****! Stupid *******! I hate them!
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:rofl:rofl:rofl

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