For Chenko to equal Duran.

I'm going to just keep this post simple. If you think Loma is on Durans level right now you're being an idiot.

 

Lomachenko is 30, his best win is against a fighter three divisions removed from his best weight, who was also past his prime.

There is nothing Lomachenko could do to equal let alone surpass Roberto "The Original No Mas" Manos de Piedra Duran's legacy.

No Mas 80's> No Mas 2010's

 

Lomachenko? Equal Duran?

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Yeah, good luck with that. (No disrespect intended to the TS.)

 

Duran started at feather...he was 16. Lomachenko has a smaller frame, how is that not blatently obvious? I can see just by eye.

 

If you can't properly take into account same day way ins vs previous day weigh in and the age a fighter started their pro career then how can you expect to have a meaningful discussion? Pretty sure GGG is larger than Hagler and Lara, who isn't even a big jrMW is larger than Benitez.

 

All these analogies are dumb but these are the worst, absolutely laughable comparisions. You talk about insulting fighters based off bad comparisions...then write this.

 

Duran has naturally wider shoulders which means a lot when it comes to adding "effective" weight.

 

Duran is top 10 ATG and could be as high as top 5 on some lists.
When Loma's done, he would be lucky to be compare to Floyd Pac or Jones, and that is still a huge mountain to climb.

 

I didn't mean physically. It's still early, but him and his people have already stated that a Crawford fight would be career suicide. Lomachenko is 5'7 though. He's Thurman, Cotto, and Marquez's height. He's taller than Porter, and Bradley. Lomachenko has the skills to move up eventually, and he seems to have a good strength coach. It will just fall on him to decide whether he wants to test himself, and strive for true greatness. Does he want to be known as a generational great, or an all time great. He definitely has the skills to move up, and although he doesn't hit all that hard, he has the boxing ability to box a good 12 rounds. Not trying to get ahead of myself, but if he is able to beat Garcia, Easter, Linares, that power punching guy at 140, he may as well move up to welter. I don't see any Forrest, Williams, or Mayweather types being at 147 in the next few years.

 

Lomachenko isn’t fit to be mentioned in the same breathe as Duran. Cmon now...

 

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How is it obvious Lomachenko has the smaller frame? He's clearly more muscular than Duran was. Look at his core, look at how he has a bigger more powerful looking midsection.

 

Hey look! Pumpkin face who spends Christmas crying about Lomachenko on message boards is still carrying on his crusade.

 

Loma won his first Gold at 57 kilos.

 

Almost all of Ray Leonard's legacy was built in a period not much longer than the four years for which Lomachenko has been a professional boxer. Ray was pretty much done (on account of his eye issues) before he even reached his physical prime, which makes his level of accomplishment somewhat scary. Loma had the advantage of entering the sport verging on his physical prime and with his engine already built from years of professional caliber training, even if he is disadvantaged in terms of richness/depth of potential competition and by possessing nowhere near the level of all-round aptitude Leonard possessed.

The age at which a fighter turns over does generally have a bearing on how much significant work he might expect to get done, though. But that's on Loma and any other guy who decides to turn pro at 25. Or it's on their circumstances. Whatever the case, whether a late start be down to choice or lack of it, sympathy and woulda/coulda/shoulda don't factor into estimations of All-Time Greatness.

If only all those amateur years factored, Loma would have been showing up somewhere in scholarly P4P ATG rankings before he threw a single punch as a professional, along with that nothingburger Cuban myth Teofilo Stevenson. What happens in the vest is only a warm-up for what happens in the professional hurt business, amateur fetishization and deification be damned - it'll give you some degree of grounding for the pro game (with mileage varying, of course), but accomplishments in the amateur sport are not transferable to a professional fighting legacy. Which means, if you want to be ranked among the very best of the best that history has to offer, you're better served turning over around 18-21. Failing that, you're going to have to pack a heck of a lot of stellar competition into what will probably be no more than a ten-year window, or else be able to fight and win at top level well into your 40's.

There are some Lomachenko fans who would give you the impression that he's knocking on the door of this kind of greatness already. That's what happens when an 'evolutionary' fighter comes along - wins over Gary Russell Jr. and a shopworn Roman Martinez are suddenly tantamount to wins over Ray Leonard and Ken Buchanan.