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  1. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When you read an article 'bout a boxer, how do you distinguish between criticism 'n a hatchet job?
     
  2. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    You kind of have to have some insight into the sport yourself. Theres a lot of boxing writers that dont know **** about boxing. Scoop Malinowski would be a good example of a current writer who writes a lot of stuff that has next nothing credible or insightful.
     
  3. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As you read a piece, lh, when do you smell a rat, that it's a hatchet job, not fair comment?
     
  4. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    More often than not , you can see whether theres an agenda. Criticism for the sake of it, not constructive criticism, coupled with what you already know of the fight/fighter involved, will tell you. The recent thread McGrain posted by a journalist doing a number on Tyson is a good example of a hatchet job. Jesus help us if this is the kinda guy people listen to.
     
  5. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Extreme bias...
    Malinowski calls Mayweathers entire career a fraud and that he ducked his way through all his fights. Now we know thats horse****.
     
  6. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How good are you in person -- no matter what some one's saying to you -- of sussing where they're REALLY coming from, lh?
     
  7. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Better now than in the past, but time makes a man wiser. I would definitely call someone out if they were being unfair, but I would be a bit more tactful than Mayweather for example.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    If you know the lines of a given argument, you can see when someone has decided to discuss only or primarily one side.

    Posting here, you learn how to do that fast, unfortunately.
     
  9. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What would be fair comment of the Merchant-Mayweather post-fight blow-up?...'n when's it open-season to malign?
     
  10. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    i think it's a thin but clear line between criticism and attack. just because fair points against a fighter are raised doesn't make it biased...it's when facts are twisted, taken out of context or fabricated that it becomes an issue
     
  11. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some quick examples come to mind,J?
     
  12. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    in boxing?

    "jack johnson ducked all black fighters, especially langford, during his reign" (out of context-true but he'd also beaten them all on his way to the title)

    "primo carnera's whole career is mob controlled and his record is meaningless" (twisted, there were some mob connections but we have little or no evidence of fixed fights)

    "sugar ray leonard's career was orchestrated and cherry picked because he was a media darling" (in a sense yes, he called the shots. but if hagler, duran x2, hearns x2, benitez, etc. is cherry picking i'd hate to see the alternative)

    "bowe lost twice to golota" (fabricated. got beat up sure, but picked up two wins in the process)
     
  13. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    The more you learn about a subject the more you can call BS when someone hasn't got the knowledge or simply has an agenda. Talking, watching and being involved in boxing pretty much gives you the ability to make that call

    He's a pure hack, didn't he have an agenda against RJJ too or have I got my wires crossed


    Mayweather overreacted and was rude but he has a history with Merchant, Merchant was very critical of him from the begining and Mayweather believes he has an agenda against him. Toney, Hopkins, Foreman have had blow ups with Merchant, he can be very critical and lack tact.
     
  14. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That reads even-handed to me, PP. What could you have said that would've made it slanted?
     
  15. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I want you on my CSI team, J