For how long do you consider Wlad to have been the true HW champ?

no "who has Canlitschko" beat? are you sick or something? :think

 

LOL.

Only on Planet Klitschko...

 

Then you must have been high on crack. There is NO way in hell Wlad should have been considered even close to being the #1 or even #2 HW in the world considering he had not yet beaten Brewster or the guy who beat Brewster in Liakhovich or the guy who would beat Liakhovich in Briggs.

 

:deal

Bingo...

 

An argument can be made that Vitali supplanted Wlad as the #1 HW in the division...

 

Wlad was just as much of a joke after beating Byrd the second time. How in the hell do you tag team champion the HW title with your brother? That **** is a complete joke.

 

Its not just an argument its a fact.

Wlad has only been the number one since late 2013 when Vitali retired.

 

No. What you are describing means that any time the #1 fighter loses to a fighter who becomes the #1 by way of defeating him, then they would be the lineal champions.

If that is the case, then Gary Russell Jr. is the current 126 pound lineal champion by way of defeating consensus #1 ranked Jhonny Gonzalez. And Gilberto Keb Baas became lineal champion back in 2010-2011-ish. And the guy who beat Keb Baas (Adrian Hernandez, I believe) became the lineal champion... That's just a ridiculous explanation to suite your argument and you know it.

However, I absolutely agree with your final statement/sentence. It is true and thus anything is debatable but that in itself doesn't protect ridiculous stretch claims from being ridiculous stretch claims.

 

As far as I am concerned, ever since he beat Peter. In my eyes, he become the ultimate force in the division, even with those bogus knockdowns, because he exhibited dedication and reckless determination of a man that has nothing to lose, the very thing that T. Fury is trying to project right now.

 

Read the whole Fukin post, son.

 

What part of "a case can be made" are you having trouble with ? "

What part of "I have not said one way or another when Wlad became champion" are you having trouble with ? "

I have already said that when a a linear champion retires, there can never again be a linear champion in the the sense that he is a continuation of that line.


So a NEW line is established, and different folks have different takes as to how that new lineage becomes established.

Some folks feel it must be determined by the #1 ranked boxer facing the # 2 ranked boxer.

Aside from the fact that not everyone will agree on the rankings ( Even RING and TNBR, both with a large number of highly respected ana lysts, don’t always agree on rankings), not everyone agrees that the new line requires the #1 v #2.

RING for example, does not.


So, how the new lineage is established, is a SUBJECTIVE exercise.

And therefore a case can be made for a number of different metheods.

And not everyone agrees on the significance of linearity.

Cotto is the linear MW champ but most see 'GGG' as the man in the division.

Was Tyson the true champ when he beat Berbick or did that distinction still belong to Spinks for another couple of years ?

Is Stevenson the true LHW champion at this point or does Kovalev have a better claim ?

 

2006.

Then of course he upgraded his reign by beating Ibragimov, Chagaev and Haye.

However, it's a weird case that must be revised by everyone to make their own decision. Holmes has this same problem (1978-85 vs. 1980-85) as well as Tyson (1986-90 vs. 1988-90). Frazier too (1968-73 vs. 1971-73).