For me this is at least as shocking as Douglas Tyson and here's why

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  1. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I admit Tyson Douglas was before my time but.

    1. DOUGLAS was in the best shape of his life, had extraordinary motivation, had several fights to study where Tyson had fought skilled boxers with good jabs(which would help him develop a game plan) and he then went on to give the performance of his life.

    2. Douglas had a big size, reach advantage

    3. Tyson for several reasons was nowhere near his best for that fight

    4. It still took amazing punishment from the bigger man to finally get Tyson out of there.




    1. Ruiz was a late replacement, than in actually 6lb fatter than in his last fight and didn't do anything different in the fight than we already knew he could do

    2. Joshua by his own admission was in good shape and had no excuses

    3. JOSHUA was the one with the physical advantages that should have made the fight easy for him if he could use them

    4. Ruiz didn't actually look any better than before, it was just that Joshua was shockingly exposed as poor chinned, staminaless and Joshua may have actually QUIT.



    This is shocking. Ruiz wasn't any better than we thought, he did exactly what he always did, Joshua just looked completely useless
     
  2. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The reality is these guys are to big to compete for long stretches against pressure fighters (if you want to call Andy’s 20-30 punches a round pressure). They have no stamina and are done after 6! I don’t think AJ quit I think the ref made the right call. Credit to Andy for having a great chin and controlling the distance most of the fight. I enjoyed his style but def needs to get in better shape
     
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  3. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No. Tyson was considered damm near invincible.

    What was the odds for this fight? Joshua was always vulnerable.

    This was more similar to Lewis-Rahman 1.
     
  4. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    tyson has collected the top scalps, which were all prime. He was seen as near invincible, since he had done this as a "green" near teen, and would only get better.

    Joshua is not generally expected to improve much at nearly 30, and collected titles from a 42 year old and a guy who dived in round 1.

    Theres a fair difference.
     
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  5. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    This stands alone because none of the other fighters quit.

    Also no one had question marks surrounding Tyson's chin. He was seen as a machine that had no weaknesses and he was still very young when he lost to Douglas

    Lewis vs Rahman comparisons are also stupid because it was one punch which laid Lewis out and again Lewis resume and pedigree was unrivaled.

    If you had to compare it to anything it's more similar to the Khan vs Danny Garcia. Khans getting ahead of himself and thinking he was too good for everyone in his division. Thought he had outgrown fighting in Britain and believed the US would be his new home to conquer. All this after having proved nothing yet felt entitled and believed a fight with Mayweather was closing in on the horizon.

    Danny gave him the biggest wake up call and battered him around the ring from pillar to post until the ref had no choice but to stop khan from continuing after being knocked down several times.
     
  6. TheWorstEver(TWE)

    TheWorstEver(TWE) Active Member Full Member

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    Not comparable really. Although it was a shocker at the time, there were people in the industry & indeed close to Tyson that knew Douglas was a good fighter when in the mood. It only needed Tyson to overlook Douglas to the scheduled June match with Holyfield & not bother to train & hey presto. Saturday night a mediocre fighter lost to a slighly less mediocre fighter & confirmed what most of us already thought. I'm afraid people can bleet about how skilled Ruiz is but the sight of Joshua flat on his back with a tubby little fella standing over him will be almost impossible to erase from people's memories.
     
  7. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Upon reviewing this fight on YT yesterday, I was amazed by the hand speed of Ruiz....and how his attack resembled that of Corrie Sanders vs Wlad. Ruiz's hand speed, and his willingness to let those hands go did the trick.