For my 5,000th post : My Pound-for-Pound Top 50 Fighters of All-Time..

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  1. DINAMITA

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    I have been cramming in the last few weeks, reading, watching and learning about a lot of these guys that I didn't know much about, and this list will probably evolve with time, but I wanted to write it for my 5000th post, so here it is as it is.

    I have probably missed some people out, and doubtlessly there are some indefensible inconsistencies, but as of now, I am quite happy with this list, and I look forward to any comments/criticisms/abuse :D :

    1.Sugar Ray Robinson
    2.Sam Langford
    3.Harry Greb
    4.Henry Armstrong

    5.Muhammad Ali
    6.Ezzard Charles
    7.Roberto Duran
    8.Mickey Walker
    9.Carlos Monzon
    10.Willie Pep
    11.Barney Ross
    12.Bob Fitzsimmons
    13.Ray Leonard
    14.Archie Moore
    15.Benny Leonard
    16.Pernell Whitaker

    17.Roy Jones Jr
    18.Joe Louis
    19.Gene Tunney
    20.Emile Griffith
    21.Charley Burley
    22.Joe Gans
    23.Alexis Arguello
    24.Sandy Saddler
    25.Tony Canzoneri
    26.Julio Cesar Chavez
    27.Eder Jofre
    28.Kid Gavilan
    29.Carlos Ortiz
    30.Barbados Joe Walcott
    31.Jimmy Wilde

    32.Bernard Hopkins
    33.Marvin Hagler
    34.Thomas Hearns
    35.Evander Holyfield
    36.Jose Napoles
    37.Floyd Mayweather Jr
    38.Lennox Lewis
    39.Salvador Sanchez
    40.Ruben Olivares
    41.Luis Manuel Rodriguez
    42.Jimmy McLarnin
    43.Jack Britton

    44.Ike Williams
    45.Michael Spinks
    46.Rocky Marciano
    47.Terry McGovern
    48.Jack Johnson
    49.Ted Kid Lewis
    50.Wilfredo Gomez
     
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  2. Mike_S

    Mike_S Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well done for doing a list, I couldn't do one and be happy with it.
     
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  3. Strike

    Strike Boxing Addict banned

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    Which Greb fights have you seen?
    Good list in general but I have to shake my head whenever people rate someone so highly who they have never seen fight.
     
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  4. stonerose

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    same here mate.
     
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  5. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Floyd Mayweather should be higher, as should Lennox Lewis.

    Hopkins probably a bit lower, Hagler higher.

    In general pretty good :good
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Carlos Monzon is to high. He has less longevity at the very top, fewer great wins, achieved less over fewer weights (obviously) than Archie Moore, for example. And why would he be above Benny Leonard and Bob Fitzsimmons? Fitzsimmons has wins over an ATG middle for his title at middle, and an ATG heavy for his title at heavy. Good places all round for these other guys, though I think you have Ali two high.

    Once again, pretty good. A few points - why is Monzon so much higher than Louis? Louis had a similair period of total domination, the difference being he beat more ATG fighters belonging to his weight (Baer, Walcott x2). BTW, I also think Jones should be above Monzon (who I have around 22). Your thoughts?

    You know my problem here, but it's the only one, another good slate.

    Jack Dempsey? The middleweght I take it?



    Nice effort. Billy Conn and Holman Williams should be on there.
     
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  7. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We can all talk about a guy you left out or a particular boxer is rated too highly, but to hell with that; that is probably the best attempt at a top 50 that I think I have seen; those type of lists, with so much history and so many names to consider, are really difficult to compile.

    One hell of an effort PACFAN; well done:good
     
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  8. Arran

    Arran Boxing Junkie banned

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    Lennox is never behind Hopkins!
     
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  9. cuchulain

    cuchulain VIP Member Full Member

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    Congrats on your list and your 5000th !

    I notice you have corrected your impressions of the relative merits of Tito and Tommy.


    BTW, I missed one of your posts from Thurs last and responded over the weekend.
     
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  10. treva1977

    treva1977 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    congrats on your 5000,but couldnt find calzaghe on your list which i found a bit strange.
    voted the best post war brit boxer yet not on your list when lennox is????

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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Who the **** was doing the voting for that?

    Lewis cleaned out a division. Calzaghe's resume is not good...
     
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  12. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    A lot of British people don't consider Lennox Lewis British.

    Calzaghe also has plenty of stupid fanboys who hark on about 20 odd defences and being undefeated.

    I, as a Calzaghe fan, place him easily in a top 10 British alltime list - of which Lennox Lewis is #1.
     
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  13. stonerose

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    hagler over hopkins i'd say, with hearns over both .close between those three but hopkins would be last .
     
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'd have Lennox at #3 behind Ted Lewis and Jimmy Wilde, but Lennox is ahead of Calzaghe every single time.
     
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  15. ishy

    ishy VIP Member Full Member

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    Great list :good, I could never do that. The only thing I want to say is Archie Moore looks a bit too low for me. I think he should be in the top 10-12 range but that's just my opinion.

    Whoever said Calzaghe deserves to be in the top 50::patsch . He's an all time top 10 British fighter and I'd say he'd make a top 100 but top 50 is pushing it too far.
     
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