For my 5,000th post : My Pound-for-Pound Top 50 Fighters of All-Time..

I like that you rate Emile Griffith.

Floyd a bit low and Roy a bit high...

Just out of curiosity..how do you see Floyd against Emile going at welter? prime for prime etc..?

 

Fair enough... I'm waiting til some more people read this and decide that I'm speaking near blasphemy or something... criticising the great muhhamad ali...

I know everything about everyone young jedi....

 

agree with this, the guy obviously knows his stuff but doesnt sound patronising or arrogant like certain young whippersnappers on the forum .

 

i think people are split into two camps as far as tyson is concerned, those who feel his career was padded and that he is over-rated and those who believe he could have been one of the all time greats, top ten material if he wouldnt have chosen the route he did. i'm in the latter,yes he could have taken on better fighters but the truth is in his hey day he not only beat everyone asked of him, he brutally ko'd the majority of them. he was unique in his style and temperment and i firmly believe if he wasnt such a **** he would have dominated the HW'S for far longer than he did .
the padded record and nose-diving of his career prior to douglas means he can never be rated as high as he should but i'd put him in any top 50 , a truly unique fighter and quite possibly the most ferocious ,out of control man to set foot in the ring.
the purists on here hate things like this being said ( he was only a LHW !!! )but spinks, who pacfan has in his list was not far off being favourite in their fight and was ruthlessly dispatched ,humiliated and had his career ended by tyson.its all very well saying in hindsight it was a mis-match , there is a reason for that, because tyson was a superb, great fighter.

 

i don't give a **** whether he knows more about boxing than me, theres a way to speak to people and he doesnt have it. and whats he been doing while he should be enjoying the best years of his life ? staying in reading boxing manuals so he can talk down to people on the internet that what .
he aint the only one anyway.

 

I haven't seen any footage of SRR fighting at 147 and I did not think the mw version was any better h2h than Monzon or Hagler, so for me the 94-96 168 Jones is the best I've ever seen, I don't believe anyone who has ever fought around 168 could beat him. I don't believe Burley was quite as good h2h, and Jones's KO losses mean absolutely nothing to me as I firmly believe burning off 20lbs of muscle effectively 'shot' Jones, ruining his reflexes, his resilience/ability to absorb a punch, his speed, his stamina - I feel the same way about Tarver-Jones, Johnson-Jones and Calzaghe-Jones as I do about Camacho-Leonard, Chavez-Tszyu, Duran-Joppy etc, it has no impact whatsoever on their greatness. Therefore, I'm still happy with my high placing of Jones.

I suppose there is a case to be made either way for Ortiz or Williams, but personally I do rate Ortiz higher. Williams was a great fighter, but saying that he beat Gavilan only tells half the story, as Gavilan won the series 2-1, so it wasn't a Robinson-LaMotta style triumph of the lower-weight fighter. Williams had quite a few sloppy losses, even while in his prime, like the stoppage by Sammy Angott and losses to Willie Joyce. Ortiz's losses were to other great fighters (Loi, Laguna etc), and I like Ortiz's resume a bit more even though it's not as deep as Williams's. As I say, there is definitely a case to be made either way, but for me it's Ortiz.

IMO, neither Olivares nor Rodriguez were quite on the same level as Sanchez, whom I believe was a special fighter. I suppose on longevity/achievement both should be above him, but again I have been subjective and went with the guy I thought was the greater/more impressive fighter in his prime. That may be a weakness of my list, but as I said earlier, I wanted my own list to reflect my own beliefs.

I have just watched these - thank you very much for the links. I will definitely need to re-think the list as Harada looks like a pretty special fighter.

Great input as ever, thanks again mate :good

 

Emile would dominate Floyd at 147. I think Floyd's size would see him have a lot of trouble with Margarito or Williams at 147 now (though he would probably still edge decisions v both), so I don't think he could cope at all v one of the best welters of all-time. Floyd definitely has the skills to be ranked higher than I have him, sadly his resume (his welter resume in particular) just isn't good enough to justify top 30 IMO.

 

That's bit out of order mate.

 

maybe , but so is calling for people to be banned for expressing an opinion that differs from his. nevermind. good list fella.

 

If the list was based purely on ability, Tyson strolls into the top 50, he was as good h2h as any other heavyweight in history, save for maybe 1967 Ali. However, taking resume into account as well, Tyson just misses out. The best fighter he ever beat was Michael Spinks, and he was not a natural hw. Other than that his best wins were Razor Ruddock (who Lewis also beat, and think how far down Lewis's list of best wins that Ruddock is) and probably Pinklon Thomas.

Michael Spinks is a clearly greater fighter p4p than Tyson IMO, and the fact that Tyson beat him easily doesn't change that.

 

None of us should be calling for anyone else to be banned anymore after what happened to TFFP. Cheers for the comment on the list mate :good