for once and all let's end this debate. who's the more skilled klit bro?

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  1. hook off jab

    hook off jab Guest

    wlad or vitali. please vote and give a detailed analysis. thank you.
     
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  2. unsentdemon

    unsentdemon Active Member Full Member

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    I really can
    t come up with a conclusion for that. Wladimir looks sharper but Vitali keeps on winning sometimes even more impressively than wladimir.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Wlad is by far the more skilled of the two - it's not close.

    Vitali is considerably tougher both mentally and physically. He's also more "dominating" meaning the less mentally tough the opponent the more likely he is to crumble - that alone is very significant given the distance between these two and the rest.

    Taken in tandem with the first two, it's the reason that Wlad, though more skilled, is not a lock as the better of the two.
     
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  4. hook off jab

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    "looking sharper" means wlad is more athletic, it doesnt automatically mean he's the better more skilled fighter. vitali is unorthodox, way more than wlad, but he is more effective. in addition to his unorthodox style, vitali offer more punch variety. when is the last time you have seen wlad throw a good body punch? i can easily count over 20 body punches that vitali connects with against chris arreola.

    wlad has more speed, the better jab and more power. that is it.
     
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  5. hook off jab

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    wlad's defense consists of holding or running backwards. he still makes amateur mistakes in terms of footwork. jab jab, right hand. rinse, wash and repeat.

    with vitali you see jabs, left hooks, right hooks, upper cuts, hooker cuts, jabbing off the hook, feints. vitali is more unpredictable. his defense consists of great subtle footwork (check the arreola fight), head movement, and tactical clinching. vitali can also fight backing up, something wlad can't do.

    wlad has no punch variety whatsoever! i cant remember the last time he threw a right hook that connected. its not even in his arsenal anymore.
     
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  6. awesome1612

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    How can people vote Wlad? Vitali would have beaten Lewis if the fight continued, Wlad would have been down in the 4th round. End of story.
     
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  7. hook off jab

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    agree. wlad wouldnt have even made it past the second round against lewis.
     
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  8. hook off jab

    hook off jab Guest

    just like the american public, the major boxing consensus has got no clue. can't believe vitali is believed to be the inferior klit bro. boggles my mind.
     
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  9. Daruf

    Daruf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad is the more textbook fighter so people will make the mistake he is more skilled.
    Wlad is a very good technical boxer don't get me wrong.

    But Vitali can fight all the same people, is even better than Wlad at keeping range while almost NEVER having to hold.

    His punch variety is MUCH greater than Wlads as well.
    Vitali can also punch going forward, backwards and moving laterally.

    I understand people blindly voting for Wladimir but just because Vitali is less orthodox does not mean he is less skilled.
     
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  10. hook off jab

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    now you are a man that knows his boxing. intelligent and correct analysis.
     
    hook off jab, Jul 10, 2011
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  11. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

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    Wlad has better technique if you think about pure boxing. He is a book example of jab, power jab, left hook, right cross and keeping his distance with his footwork.

    Vitali is just one tough mother****er, that will rip out your spine and beat you with it. That's the guy that made a Cuban sensation crumble with just a light hook to the temple. But he is not a pure technical boxer. he is a fighter, a kickboxer, a badass and a nightmare in the ring, but you don't wanna teach your boxing class by looking at his technique. I box similarly to him, but I also come from a muay thai background.
     
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  12. hook off jab

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    another attribute vitali holds over his little bro is that he has two speeds. wlad has one. check the briggs fight. vitali looks kind of sluggish around the 9th round. not as speedy or potent as the first half of the fight. now check the 11th and 12th round. looks how vitali turns it up. in some stages of the fight you think you're seeing him age before your eyes. then BAM! a speedy and powerful lead right hand, a thing of beauty! check the last two rounds. vitali throws a few lead rights so fast and unscripted that briggs didnt even see them coming. vitali, like i said, knows when to switch gears. that is something wladimir never really learned, even under steward's tutelage.
     
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  13. Bubby

    Bubby Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wladimir by far...........
     
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  14. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well... this is messed up because you use the word "skilled"...

    They are very close in terms of text-book skill. So probably the poll will reflect that - and thus settling nothing.

    You should have asked "who is the best" or even better "who would you be more confident betting money on in fights against other ATG HW's?"

    THEN we would get a more definite answer I think!
     
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  15. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good analysis.
     
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