For Pac fans... Tale of the Tape

Buzz Killington · May 13, 2010

I've posted this in the comments a few times and Pac fans won't respond so I've decided to bring this to the general forum to get an answer...

The way I see it, Pac goes into his fight with Mayweather with major disadvantages:

1) Pac is shorter - 5'6 1/2" vs. 5'8"

2) Pac has shorter reach by 5"

3) Pac is susceptible to counters (see: EVERY fight he's ever had, vs. JMM)

4) Pac is susceptible to left hooks (see: destroyed right ear vs. Cotto)

5) Pac is susceptible to straight rights (see: vs. Morales, vs. Clottey)

6) Pac has known weakness to body attack (KO'd with body shot)

7) Pac hasn't shown ability to fight or handle a fighter moving backwards (see: EVERY fight he's ever had)

8) Unlike Shane Mosley, Pac doesn't have 1, or 2, or 3, or 4 punch KO power (see: all Pac TKOs... other than Hatton, Pac has not stretched any opponent over 140 pounds and all of them finished the fight on their feet after rounds of flush combinations from Pac. Even at lower weights, Pac TKOs almost all from accumulation)

9) Pac throws a lot, lands a little (Pac's total connect percentage almost always <35%)

10) Pac has no jab, eats the jab (see: every Pac fight, vs. Morrales, vs. Cotto)

These are just the 10 off the top of my head. Now can someone tell me which one of these does NOT play into Mayweather's hands? Can someone provide a SANE argument for why Manny will beat Mayweather if they meet?

Let's look at some other issues:

1) Pac beat DLH and Hatton in more impressive fashion than Floyd - let's look at the tape:

Pac/Hatton @140, Floyd/Hatton @147 - Floyd fought a bigger, stronger version of Hatton. Oh, that's right, 140 was Hatton's "best weight." So, let me get this straight... Pac can move up TWO weight classes from the Diaz fight and be FASTER and MORE COORDINATED while Hatton moves up ONE weight class and suddenly can't fight? Hatton walks around at 190... so am I supposed to believe that having 7 MORE pounds of muscle wouldn't have helped him in his fight against Floyd? And, if that is the case, how is it that Pac can do what almost NO fighter does by going up TWO weight classes and not lose any speed or coordination?

2) Pac/DLH @147, Floyd/DLH @154 - Am I now supposed to believe that Pac beating DLH at 147 was a better win than Floyd beating DLH at 154? DLH walks around at 160-165. He hadn't made 147 in over six years. No question that Floyd's win over a younger, stronger DLH was a better quality win.

3) Pac vs. Cotto @145 catchweight - Pac fought DLH at 147, but made Cotto come down to 145. Why? If the two pounds didn't make a difference, why not fight him at 147?

4) Pac "destroyed" Clottey @147 - OK, Pac throws 1200 punches against a stationary opponent, hammers his body and DOESN'T KO him? Pac's supposedly vicious body attack could not get Clottey to drop his guard... where was all of Pac's vaunted punching power? And how do you land only TWENTY PERCENT against a guy who isn't punching back? Even if you make the excuse that Clottey was in his shell, wouldn't a guy with Pac's supposed power and open access be able to get Clottey to drop his guard?

5) Pac's "KO" power - Other than Hatton, who has Pac KO'd with one punch... or two... or three... or four, etc. DLH and Cotto were still standing after being nailed with flush combination after flush combination. Diaz only succumbed to Pac's assault after 9 brutal rounds of pummeling. Pac stunned Cotto with two flush counters and couldn't get him to sit down even after 12 rounds. Clottey took 1200 of Pac's best and he looked better after the fight than Pac. Shane Mosley has a history of stunning and KOing people with one punch... Pac doesn't. PERIOD.

I'm still trying to figure out why people think Pac will beat Mayweather. Mayweather recuperated immediately after getting hit with two SSM right hands... am I supposed to believe Pac is a harder puncher even though there is absolutely no proof of that?

Let's put the nuthugging behind us and address the issues. If Pac fans are serious, then someone PLEASE offer some RATIONAL reason why Pac will beat Floyd.

pugilistspecialist · May 13, 2010

Buzz Killington said: ↑

I've posted this in the comments a few times and Pac fans won't respond so I've decided to bring this to the general forum to get an answer...

The way I see it, Pac goes into his fight with Mayweather with major disadvantages:

1) Pac is shorter - 5'6 1/2" vs. 5'8"

2) Pac has shorter reach by 5"

3) Pac is susceptible to counters (see: EVERY fight he's ever had, vs. JMM)

4) Pac is susceptible to left hooks (see: destroyed right ear vs. Cotto)

5) Pac is susceptible to straight rights (see: vs. Morales, vs. Clottey)

6) Pac has known weakness to body attack (KO'd with body shot)

7) Pac hasn't shown ability to fight or handle a fighter moving backwards (see: EVERY fight he's ever had)

8) Unlike Shane Mosley, Pac doesn't have 1, or 2, or 3, or 4 punch KO power (see: all Pac TKOs... other than Hatton, Pac has not stretched any opponent over 140 pounds and all of them finished the fight on their feet after rounds of flush combinations from Pac. Even at lower weights, Pac TKOs almost all from accumulation)

9) Pac throws a lot, lands a little (Pac's total connect percentage almost always <35%)

10) Pac has no jab, eats the jab (see: every Pac fight, vs. Morrales, vs. Cotto)

These are just the 10 off the top of my head. Now can someone tell me which one of these does NOT play into Mayweather's hands? Can someone provide a SANE argument for why Manny will beat Mayweather if they meet?

Let's look at some other issues:

1) Pac beat DLH and Hatton in more impressive fashion than Floyd - let's look at the tape:

Pac/Hatton @140, Floyd/Hatton @147 - Floyd fought a bigger, stronger version of Hatton. Oh, that's right, 140 was Hatton's "best weight." So, let me get this straight... Pac can move up TWO weight classes from the Diaz fight and be FASTER and MORE COORDINATED while Hatton moves up ONE weight class and suddenly can't fight? Hatton walks around at 190... so am I supposed to believe that having 7 MORE pounds of muscle wouldn't have helped him in his fight against Floyd? And, if that is the case, how is it that Pac can do what almost NO fighter does by going up TWO weight classes and not lose any speed or coordination?

2) Pac/DLH @147, Floyd/DLH @154 - Am I now supposed to believe that Pac beating DLH at 147 was a better win than Floyd beating DLH at 154? DLH walks around at 160-165. He hadn't made 147 in over six years. No question that Floyd's win over a younger, stronger DLH was a better quality win.

3) Pac vs. Cotto @145 catchweight - Pac fought DLH at 147, but made Cotto come down to 145. Why? If the two pounds didn't make a difference, why not fight him at 147?

4) Pac "destroyed" Clottey @147 - OK, Pac throws 1200 punches against a stationary opponent, hammers his body and DOESN'T KO him? Pac's supposedly vicious body attack could not get Clottey to drop his guard... where was all of Pac's vaunted punching power? And how do you land only TWENTY PERCENT against a guy who isn't punching back? Even if you make the excuse that Clottey was in his shell, wouldn't a guy with Pac's supposed power and open access be able to get Clottey to drop his guard?

5) Pac's "KO" power - Other than Hatton, who has Pac KO'd with one punch... or two... or three... or four, etc. DLH and Cotto were still standing after being nailed with flush combination after flush combination. Diaz only succumbed to Pac's assault after 9 brutal rounds of pummeling. Pac stunned Cotto with two flush counters and couldn't get him to sit down even after 12 rounds. Clottey took 1200 of Pac's best and he looked better after the fight than Pac. Shane Mosley has a history of stunning and KOing people with one punch... Pac doesn't. PERIOD.

I'm still trying to figure out why people think Pac will beat Mayweather. Mayweather recuperated immediately after getting hit with two SSM right hands... am I supposed to believe Pac is a harder puncher even though there is absolutely no proof of that?

Let's put the nuthugging behind us and address the issues. If Pac fans are serious, then someone PLEASE offer some RATIONAL reason why Pac will beat Floyd.
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good read man, I agree with alot of your points:good

Jack · May 13, 2010

Even if your points were true, you are still being highly critical of a guy who has proved himself so many times. You can sit there and pick apart his weaknesses but despite those weaknesses, he's an ATG and ranked much higher than Mayweather.

So despite being a vastly overrated bum, who has no redeeming qualities, he's done pretty well for himself.

And I say the same I've said before - If Mayweather wins, I presume you'll give him little credit? After all, Pacquiao is an easy opponent, right?

Uncle Rico · May 13, 2010

Hi I'm a Pac fan :hi:

Forgive me but I only bothered reading your list of 10 points, which by the way are all valid, and prove why Floyd will beat Pac. So in regards to your question:

Now can someone tell me which one of these does NOT play into Mayweather's hands?
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How can we, when they so evidently do play in to his hands. Us (well me anyway) Pac fans aren't disagreeing with you. So it's a pretty pointless task of repeating this question again and again, don't you think?

ciberr · May 13, 2010

Ok Mr. Mayweather we believe you, your right, so why all the bullsh!t, if there is noway Pac can win then just sign and fight......

(PimpThaSystem) · May 13, 2010

Yeah I haven't seen ANYONE pick Pac as the heavy favorite. Your beating a dead horse here.

Buzz Killington · May 13, 2010

Jack said: ↑

Even if your points were true, you are still being highly critical of a guy who has proved himself so many times. You can sit there and pick apart his weaknesses but despite those weaknesses, he's an ATG and ranked much higher than Mayweather.

So despite being a vastly overrated bum, who has no redeeming qualities, he's done pretty well for himself.

And I say the same I've said before - If Mayweather wins, I presume you'll give him little credit? After all, Pacquiao is an easy opponent, right?
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Manny's an ATG for what he did at the lower classes... same as Floyd.

Manny's work rate and movement make him dangerous but those factors can be dealt with by an experienced fighter. A good jab neutralizes speed and Manny has yet to fight off his back foot.

sdsfinest22 · May 13, 2010

buzz killington said: ↑

i've posted this in the comments a few times and pac fans won't respond so i've decided to bring this to the general forum to get an answer...

The way i see it, pac goes into his fight with mayweather with major disadvantages:

1) pac is shorter - 5'6 1/2" vs. 5'8"

2) pac has shorter reach by 5"

3) pac is susceptible to counters (see: Every fight he's ever had, vs. Jmm)

4) pac is susceptible to left hooks (see: Destroyed right ear vs. Cotto)

5) pac is susceptible to straight rights (see: Vs. Morales, vs. Clottey)

6) pac has known weakness to body attack (ko'd with body shot)

7) pac hasn't shown ability to fight or handle a fighter moving backwards (see: Every fight he's ever had)

8) unlike shane mosley, pac doesn't have 1, or 2, or 3, or 4 punch ko power (see: All pac tkos... Other than hatton, pac has not stretched any opponent over 140 pounds and all of them finished the fight on their feet after rounds of flush combinations from pac. Even at lower weights, pac tkos almost all from accumulation)

9) pac throws a lot, lands a little (pac's total connect percentage almost always <35%)

10) pac has no jab, eats the jab (see: Every pac fight, vs. Morrales, vs. Cotto)

these are just the 10 off the top of my head. Now can someone tell me which one of these does not play into mayweather's hands? Can someone provide a sane argument for why manny will beat mayweather if they meet?

Let's look at some other issues:

1) pac beat dlh and hatton in more impressive fashion than floyd - let's look at the tape:

Pac/hatton @140, floyd/hatton @147 - floyd fought a bigger, stronger version of hatton. Oh, that's right, 140 was hatton's "best weight." so, let me get this straight... Pac can move up two weight classes from the diaz fight and be faster and more coordinated while hatton moves up one weight class and suddenly can't fight? Hatton walks around at 190... So am i supposed to believe that having 7 more pounds of muscle wouldn't have helped him in his fight against floyd? And, if that is the case, how is it that pac can do what almost no fighter does by going up two weight classes and not lose any speed or coordination?

2) pac/dlh @147, floyd/dlh @154 - am i now supposed to believe that pac beating dlh at 147 was a better win than floyd beating dlh at 154? Dlh walks around at 160-165. He hadn't made 147 in over six years. No question that floyd's win over a younger, stronger dlh was a better quality win.

3) pac vs. Cotto @145 catchweight - pac fought dlh at 147, but made cotto come down to 145. Why? If the two pounds didn't make a difference, why not fight him at 147?

4) pac "destroyed" clottey @147 - ok, pac throws 1200 punches against a stationary opponent, hammers his body and doesn't ko him? Pac's supposedly vicious body attack could not get clottey to drop his guard... Where was all of pac's vaunted punching power? And how do you land only twenty percent against a guy who isn't punching back? Even if you make the excuse that clottey was in his shell, wouldn't a guy with pac's supposed power and open access be able to get clottey to drop his guard?

5) pac's "ko" power - other than hatton, who has pac ko'd with one punch... Or two... Or three... Or four, etc. Dlh and cotto were still standing after being nailed with flush combination after flush combination. Diaz only succumbed to pac's assault after 9 brutal rounds of pummeling. Pac stunned cotto with two flush counters and couldn't get him to sit down even after 12 rounds. Clottey took 1200 of pac's best and he looked better after the fight than pac. Shane mosley has a history of stunning and koing people with one punch... Pac doesn't. Period.

I'm still trying to figure out why people think pac will beat mayweather. Mayweather recuperated immediately after getting hit with two ssm right hands... Am i supposed to believe pac is a harder puncher even though there is absolutely no proof of that?

Let's put the nuthugging behind us and address the issues. If pac fans are serious, then someone please offer some rational reason why pac will beat floyd.
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they cant...they are not rational fans...manny is a god..i told em floyd got the better technical footwork and i got chewed out by em just for saying floyd got the better footwork....

They dont understand "logic" and "rational"...they will tell u manny will win cuz he will "get in" and than "get out"..they dont realize there is much more to it than "getting in and getting out"

most of em dont even watch boxing...just pac n whats going on around him...

eko718 · May 13, 2010

Buzz Killington said: ↑

I've posted this in the comments a few times and Pac fans won't respond so I've decided to bring this to the general forum to get an answer...

The way I see it, Pac goes into his fight with Mayweather with major disadvantages:

1) Pac is shorter - 5'6 1/2" vs. 5'8"

2) Pac has shorter reach by 5"

3) Pac is susceptible to counters (see: EVERY fight he's ever had, vs. JMM)

4) Pac is susceptible to left hooks (see: destroyed right ear vs. Cotto)

5) Pac is susceptible to straight rights (see: vs. Morales, vs. Clottey)

6) Pac has known weakness to body attack (KO'd with body shot)

7) Pac hasn't shown ability to fight or handle a fighter moving backwards (see: EVERY fight he's ever had)

8) Unlike Shane Mosley, Pac doesn't have 1, or 2, or 3, or 4 punch KO power (see: all Pac TKOs... other than Hatton, Pac has not stretched any opponent over 140 pounds and all of them finished the fight on their feet after rounds of flush combinations from Pac. Even at lower weights, Pac TKOs almost all from accumulation)

9) Pac throws a lot, lands a little (Pac's total connect percentage almost always <35%)

10) Pac has no jab, eats the jab (see: every Pac fight, vs. Morrales, vs. Cotto)

These are just the 10 off the top of my head. Now can someone tell me which one of these does NOT play into Mayweather's hands? Can someone provide a SANE argument for why Manny will beat Mayweather if they meet?

Let's look at some other issues:

1) Pac beat DLH and Hatton in more impressive fashion than Floyd - let's look at the tape:

Pac/Hatton @140, Floyd/Hatton @147 - Floyd fought a bigger, stronger version of Hatton. Oh, that's right, 140 was Hatton's "best weight." So, let me get this straight... Pac can move up TWO weight classes from the Diaz fight and be FASTER and MORE COORDINATED while Hatton moves up ONE weight class and suddenly can't fight? Hatton walks around at 190... so am I supposed to believe that having 7 MORE pounds of muscle wouldn't have helped him in his fight against Floyd? And, if that is the case, how is it that Pac can do what almost NO fighter does by going up TWO weight classes and not lose any speed or coordination?

2) Pac/DLH @147, Floyd/DLH @154 - Am I now supposed to believe that Pac beating DLH at 147 was a better win than Floyd beating DLH at 154? DLH walks around at 160-165. He hadn't made 147 in over six years. No question that Floyd's win over a younger, stronger DLH was a better quality win.

3) Pac vs. Cotto @145 catchweight - Pac fought DLH at 147, but made Cotto come down to 145. Why? If the two pounds didn't make a difference, why not fight him at 147?

4) Pac "destroyed" Clottey @147 - OK, Pac throws 1200 punches against a stationary opponent, hammers his body and DOESN'T KO him? Pac's supposedly vicious body attack could not get Clottey to drop his guard... where was all of Pac's vaunted punching power? And how do you land only TWENTY PERCENT against a guy who isn't punching back? Even if you make the excuse that Clottey was in his shell, wouldn't a guy with Pac's supposed power and open access be able to get Clottey to drop his guard?

5) Pac's "KO" power - Other than Hatton, who has Pac KO'd with one punch... or two... or three... or four, etc. DLH and Cotto were still standing after being nailed with flush combination after flush combination. Diaz only succumbed to Pac's assault after 9 brutal rounds of pummeling. Pac stunned Cotto with two flush counters and couldn't get him to sit down even after 12 rounds. Clottey took 1200 of Pac's best and he looked better after the fight than Pac. Shane Mosley has a history of stunning and KOing people with one punch... Pac doesn't. PERIOD.

I'm still trying to figure out why people think Pac will beat Mayweather. Mayweather recuperated immediately after getting hit with two SSM right hands... am I supposed to believe Pac is a harder puncher even though there is absolutely no proof of that?

Let's put the nuthugging behind us and address the issues. If Pac fans are serious, then someone PLEASE offer some RATIONAL reason why Pac will beat Floyd.
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Good post. Don't expect any logical responses however. When '*******s' see well constructed views which are based on facts, they often either do not reply or do reply with an odd angle which has nothing to do with the conversation at hand(ie: because 'Void' showed he has a glass jaw or some other foolishness). Unfortunately, this is not the forum for true boxing analysis and pugilistic insight majority of the time. You make some good points though.

charlievint · May 13, 2010

Buzz Killington said: ↑

I've posted this in the comments a few times and Pac fans won't respond so I've decided to bring this to the general forum to get an answer...

The way I see it, Pac goes into his fight with Mayweather with major disadvantages:

1) Pac is shorter - 5'6 1/2" vs. 5'8"

2) Pac has shorter reach by 5"

3) Pac is susceptible to counters (see: EVERY fight he's ever had, vs. JMM)

4) Pac is susceptible to left hooks (see: destroyed right ear vs. Cotto)

5) Pac is susceptible to straight rights (see: vs. Morales, vs. Clottey)

6) Pac has known weakness to body attack (KO'd with body shot)

7) Pac hasn't shown ability to fight or handle a fighter moving backwards (see: EVERY fight he's ever had)

8) Unlike Shane Mosley, Pac doesn't have 1, or 2, or 3, or 4 punch KO power (see: all Pac TKOs... other than Hatton, Pac has not stretched any opponent over 140 pounds and all of them finished the fight on their feet after rounds of flush combinations from Pac. Even at lower weights, Pac TKOs almost all from accumulation)

9) Pac throws a lot, lands a little (Pac's total connect percentage almost always <35%)

10) Pac has no jab, eats the jab (see: every Pac fight, vs. Morrales, vs. Cotto)

These are just the 10 off the top of my head. Now can someone tell me which one of these does NOT play into Mayweather's hands? Can someone provide a SANE argument for why Manny will beat Mayweather if they meet?

Let's look at some other issues:

1) Pac beat DLH and Hatton in more impressive fashion than Floyd - let's look at the tape:

Pac/Hatton @140, Floyd/Hatton @147 - Floyd fought a bigger, stronger version of Hatton. Oh, that's right, 140 was Hatton's "best weight." So, let me get this straight... Pac can move up TWO weight classes from the Diaz fight and be FASTER and MORE COORDINATED while Hatton moves up ONE weight class and suddenly can't fight? Hatton walks around at 190... so am I supposed to believe that having 7 MORE pounds of muscle wouldn't have helped him in his fight against Floyd? And, if that is the case, how is it that Pac can do what almost NO fighter does by going up TWO weight classes and not lose any speed or coordination?

2) Pac/DLH @147, Floyd/DLH @154 - Am I now supposed to believe that Pac beating DLH at 147 was a better win than Floyd beating DLH at 154? DLH walks around at 160-165. He hadn't made 147 in over six years. No question that Floyd's win over a younger, stronger DLH was a better quality win.

3) Pac vs. Cotto @145 catchweight - Pac fought DLH at 147, but made Cotto come down to 145. Why? If the two pounds didn't make a difference, why not fight him at 147?

4) Pac "destroyed" Clottey @147 - OK, Pac throws 1200 punches against a stationary opponent, hammers his body and DOESN'T KO him? Pac's supposedly vicious body attack could not get Clottey to drop his guard... where was all of Pac's vaunted punching power? And how do you land only TWENTY PERCENT against a guy who isn't punching back? Even if you make the excuse that Clottey was in his shell, wouldn't a guy with Pac's supposed power and open access be able to get Clottey to drop his guard?

5) Pac's "KO" power - Other than Hatton, who has Pac KO'd with one punch... or two... or three... or four, etc. DLH and Cotto were still standing after being nailed with flush combination after flush combination. Diaz only succumbed to Pac's assault after 9 brutal rounds of pummeling. Pac stunned Cotto with two flush counters and couldn't get him to sit down even after 12 rounds. Clottey took 1200 of Pac's best and he looked better after the fight than Pac. Shane Mosley has a history of stunning and KOing people with one punch... Pac doesn't. PERIOD.

I'm still trying to figure out why people think Pac will beat Mayweather. Mayweather recuperated immediately after getting hit with two SSM right hands... am I supposed to believe Pac is a harder puncher even though there is absolutely no proof of that?

Let's put the nuthugging behind us and address the issues. If Pac fans are serious, then someone PLEASE offer some RATIONAL reason why Pac will beat Floyd.
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It's actually not this ^^^^ complicated! Manny is a special fighter and to beat anther speacial fighter you have got to have the style and tools in order to do so.

Talent wise.....Manny and Floyd are on level......Athletic ability...same thing. What seperates Manny and Floyd is right there on the surface for everyone to see....their styles.

Floyd is a great boxer, highly skilled, cautious and cool. He sticks to his game plan that can change when necessary. Not that Floyd is unbeatable or doesn't make mistakes b/c he does. The problem is most don't have the style or the tools to compete.

Manny on the other hand is very skilled, a offensive machine with a very unorthodox yet very effective style. Manny's attributes are similar to floyd's but Manny best attribute is his stamina and awkwardness.

Manny doesn't have a set rhythm in the ring..he's a fighter who is fluid at times and "shake n bake" the others. Darting in and out, left to right, punching from all sorts of angles in combinations. He's a pressure fight like no one has seen.

Floyd is a slick, defensive master counter puncher. He should be able to catch Manny b/c Manny is high volume and with being a high volume fighter you leave openings. With that said Floyd likes to wait for his opening to take place, sit back and counter....usually that is effective from guys in an orthodox stance with one......maybe two shots at a time.

Manny will not be orthodox......Floyd will not have an easy time anticipating his opponents next move b/c of his awkwardness and unusual rhythm. And Floyd will have a hard time finding breathing room to get off with his own offense.

Now with Floyd's "D"....he'll avoid much of Manny's offense...but not all of it. ANd YES....he'll land on Manny but I don't think it will be enough to win a decision b/c Manny will outwork and out hustle Floyd the majority of rounds.

Could Floyd win...YES....It's quite possible and probably the most likely outcome based on how things look on paper.. Floyd is bigger, taller, longer and has a classic text book boxing style. Where Manny is smaller, shorter with a very unorthodox style. But I see Manny having some kind of mental edge with Floyd already loosing in some regard by expressing his concern about Manny. He used a front of saying PAC was on roids and didn't want to fight a dirty fighter.

If they fight and if Manny wins best believe Floyd bringing up PAC being on some special Phillipine drugs that are undetectable by terrestrial testing.

eko718 · May 13, 2010

sdsfinest22 said: ↑

they cant...they are not rational fans...manny is a god..i told em floyd got the better technical footwork and i got chewed out by em just for saying floyd got the better footwork....

They dont understand "logic" and "rational"...they will tell u manny will win cuz he will "get in" and than "get out"..they dont realize there is much more to it than "getting in and getting out"

most of em dont even watch boxing...just pac n whats going on around him...
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Heh... We have the same impression... very similar to what I posted moments after you.

Buzz Killington · May 13, 2010

(PimpThaSystem) said: ↑

Yeah I haven't seen ANYONE pick Pac as the heavy favorite. Your beating a dead horse here.
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I'm just testing their logic. Manny could well kick Floyd's ass, I just want to see if any of 'em have a reason to believe it.

sdsfinest22 · May 13, 2010

(pimpthasystem) said: ↑

yeah i haven't seen anyone pick pac as the heavy favorite. Your beating a dead horse here.
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actually many pac fans on esb have him winning inside of 8 or 9..they believe that manny will land the same punch mosley landed and it will be good night..

They dont understand the technical side of boxing so they dont understand that it dont work like that..they think just cuz 1 guy lands a punch and wobbles a fighter than pac can do it too..they dont put any factors behind what happened in round 2 behind anything..truly the worst fans on esb are pac fans. VERY FEW HAVE STRONG ARGUMENTS TO BACK THEIR OPINIONS...

Dynasty091 · May 13, 2010

Heh...I still consider this fight (if it ever happens) 50-50. Both Mayweather and Pacquiao are masters in what they do best in the ring. This is one of the very few fights where I can't pick a winner with 100% certainty.

blur · May 13, 2010

youre saying like pac has zero chance of winning against floyd. so pac roided or not is an easy fight right? so why is it your idol is demandingn OSDT?

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