For Pac fans... Tale of the Tape

PED's are a concern for any sport but the fact is there aren't ANY testing measures that are 100% effective. There are so many ways to beat any testing measure out there today including the USADA's testing measures. Sure they are more thorough and more in depth but they can be beat easily for those with the rescources.

PED's do help with things like stamina and the ability to recoup faster.....but that is NOT in the sense of eating a punch and taking a shot and then getting your senses back. PED's don't help you with coordination or skills, balance or craft.

PED's help you with your endurance to keep up your pace in an athletic event. What PAC has shown and what PAC has been known for even before entering the US under Roach....was his speed and stamina! They were all raving about it b/c they've never seen anything like it.

No one gave him much thought as a highly touted prospect b/c of how raw he was...he had poor balance...he was one demensional and he was very predictable....BUT....he was still deceptively fast with an unreal relentless offensive attack.

Before Manny evolved and got some much needed polishing with regards to his skills Manny was STILL WINNING! Simply b/c of his natrual ability, talent and god given gifts....he lacked skills, demension and craft but he made up for it b/c of his extreme talent and athletic ability.

He's gotten better no doubt..he's done some amazing things with moving up in weight and still dominating...but he's been getting better. The power, speed and stamina are the same and people want to ride with Floyd and his teams allegations b/c it's an easier option to roll with.

 

yes i like pac better but stylewise i have doubts that pac will win against floyd but i have a feeling he can KO floyd though.

__ you fail on that area where u put pac may be koed by a body punch. hatton and cotto tried and theyre strong punchers!

 

So you admit that it's Manny's strenghts that make Floyd demands all these tests?
Another question: if you were Pac and you realise that Floyd is making all these demands because he is concerned about your strenghts, would you give up that edge going into the fight by putting Floyd at ease that you arent taking PEDs?

 

I agree that asking for it is fine.....my question is why now? Why not for any one else before Manny? Why hasn't anyone asked Floyd who like Manny hasn't ever been associated with PEDs or any kind of drugs to take additional testing outside the commissions requirements of their fighters?

Floyd has done what Manny has done in moving up and dominating. So have other ATG's in the past. The problem lies with the path Floyd decided to take in order to request or demand the testing.

Creating these allegations and accuastions about Manny being dirty and pulling his character into question was wrong and irresponsible to say the very least. He could have still requested the testing WITHOUT blazing a fire that had no point of orgin. It was a baseless accusation that rubbed Manny and others the wrong way and then had the gall to add gas to the flame by demanding Olympic style tests.

I'm all for stricter testing and I'm sure Manny is as well but it was just a bit ****ed up on how Floyd and Company went about it. Problem for Manny is that stigma of his accopmlishments will now ALWAYS be in question no matter how many tests he takes and passes.....sure...most don't buy the allegations but some still do.

Look at Lance Armstrong....MOST feel he's the best cyclist in the world and did it without the aid of PEDs or roids...he's past EVERY test possible but since those allegations that stigma still around.

 

*******s needed that reality check becuase mayweather gonna **** up poochiao

 

Unlike Shane Mosley? Who has he knocked out with one punch exactly?

 

Buzz,

You make some good points, but a few things to consider on the flipside:

You say manny doesn't have 1 punch KO power like mosley, but if Pac wins this fight, it won't be by devestating 1 punch KO, else he is fighting the wrong fight. He needs to outwork and outland floyd. One of Shane's big problems is that people thought he had a chance because of his power, when infact, he lost so easily because he just couldn't land. I think Manny's speed and his willingness to take some punches to give some will give him a chance to outland mayweather and so beat him.

You say Manny fights badly going backwards, well, again, like the first point, he is fighting the wrong fight if he is going backwards the whole time.

You say Manny is susceptable to left hooks, well Cotto's left hook is waaaayyyyyyyy better than PBF, and yet they didnt discourage pac.

As for the second part of your post, if you think Hatton is as good at 147 as at 140, you are very very wrong. Everytime he fought at 147 he looked very poor, at 140 he was ring champion and undefeated and always looked good the times i saw him. Pac alos beat hatton in much more impressive fashion. I also think that p-wil looks just as fast at 154 as at 147, so i think that you can easily move up in weight and look just as fast.

There's no doubt that the version of DLH floyd fought was better than the 1 pac fought, but you can't ignore quite how easily pac beat DLH.

Yeah, pac making cotto come down to 145 in a title fight was a b*tch move, but if it was fought at 147, you think the result would've been any different?

Now I'm not saying Manny is gonna beat PBF, I personally have it as a very even fight, I'm just saying that not all of your points are valid. The rather 1 sided nature of my post is just because I am countering points in your post that is obviously also quite 1 sided

 

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