For those here who box...A CHALLENGE!

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by cross_trainer, Sep 30, 2007.


  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I can read it, so perhaps it requires some viewing software you don't have? :think

    In any event, you can download it in .pdf and view it. That should eliminate any problems. :good
     
  2. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd be game to give it a try, but it would be difficult under fire to maintain the kind of discipline to use methods I am not conditioned for... I fear I am too old to change now.

    However, Achilles' offer sounds like it work better for your experiment.
     
  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Yep. It looks like, between Achilles and Kolya, we'll get a lot of interesting data from this experiment. If you decide to do it, all the merrier--but if not, that's still great, since you'll be available with your experience to help us analyze post-sparring.

    I'll give the sparring a shot as well, provided I can find somebody interested.
     
  4. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is the entire book there? I can read just about every other book, but not that one.
     
  5. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    That's because you are too unclean to read the Holy Book of Fitz.
     
  6. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Seriously, though, the pictures are working just fine for me...at least the second half of the book, which is the boxing portion. Try skipping ahead to that section, rather than reading through the first half.
     
  7. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All I can get up is 2 lines at a time by using the search button.
     
  8. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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  9. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Still no good.

    How would i download it in pdf?
     
  10. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    It has a little option, I believe it is the top one on the list on the right.
     
  11. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you signed into google when you do it?
     
  12. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    CT, you want me to get someone to try the the stance and guard - up on their toes, straight up, low hands?
     
  13. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Regarding the stance, let's not confuse a still photo with of the times with the way the fighters stood and put their guard up in the filmed fights. They are only somewhat similar. Many of the outside of the ring photo shots are glamour shots only.

    A few of Fitz’s old skills would defiantly work in modern times. Fitz was a master at feinting to set up his shot. We can see this on film, Fitz feinted high to get Corbett’s guard high, and then struck like lighting to the body. The result was one of the most famous body punch KO’s of all time. Simply brilliant. I own a version of Fitz vs Corbett where the camera gives you a few seconds of close up action before the knockout. The speed and furry can be seen here. It was an eye opener.

    The other part of Fitzsimmons that will work in modern times is the leverage and shifting he did when he punched. Fitzsimmons had whip cord like muscles and great driving force in his blows which was developed from manual labor. Delivering a hook in boxing is somewhat similar to swinging a baseball bat in my opinion. To hit your weight in baseball, you have to turn your hips / legs, and drive your body into the ball. In boxing, to add power to you hook, you need to do the same from your legs, hips, and shift your weight into the punch.

    Finally, Fitzsimmons a master of the anatomy. He knew where to strike. The temple, chin, solar plexus, bottom ribs, neck, and heart are vulnerable areas for boxer. As I said before, many of the neck and hart punches are nearly extinct from the game.

    As for the lower guard, I would not recommend it, unless the fighter doesn’t mind taking a punch to land one!
     
  14. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Not completely on their toes. The back foot should be flat on the floor, and the front foot raised on the toe--the opposite of the modern stance. Fitz has a good picture of the required stance in the book, and he describes exactly how you should stand and how you know what distance your feet should be from each other.
     
  15. mdmuir

    mdmuir New Member Full Member

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    I would really like to help you out here Cross, but the only boxing I do is when I am boxing up returned merchandise for shipping back to the manufactuer. That is, when I am not cleaning out Porta Johns:)