For those of you old enough who saw Tyson before and after prison,were you able to see the decline?

Dobre pytanie, spróbuję na nie odpowiedzieć. Dla większości ekspertów upadek Tysona rozpoczął się w 1988 roku po walce ze Spinksem. Nie skupiał się już na boksie, a jego życie osobiste przypominało szybką kolejkę górską. Na ringu było widać gorsze wyczucie czasu, gorsze cardio, mniej kombinacji, mniej ruchów głową, ale nadal miał siłę i dynamikę. Po 1995 roku Tyson zaczął trenować kulturystykę, nadal był bardzo silny i dynamiczny, ale jego umiejętności bokserskie były gorsze, szczególnie kardio było okropne. Nie miało znaczenia, czy walczył mniej niż 3 rundy, tak jak Bruno. Jego obrona również nie stanowiła problemu, jeśli nikt go nie uderzał. Jednak w walce z Bothą czy Mathisem Jr widać wyraźnie, że jest to znacznie gorsza wersja Tysona. Dla przeciętnego kibica liczyła się jednak szybkość ko i dynamika, a to wystarczyło nieelitarnym bokserom

 

If only there were footage.

 

We have but it's poor quality.

 

Dammit. See, now we have to go by these rando dudes who was around back then and who knows if they know what they're talking about? They're all pretty old, right now. Maybe even if they knew better back in the day, it's like all Bidenesque now. We don't know.

 

Well guys of Biden's age are old enough to remember Rocky Marciano's and SRR reign (unless their memory doesn't betray them suddenly)

 

Yes, it was pretty apparent how much he had declined. I went to all of his comeback fights through Holyfield I. With the exception of the Bruno fight (where he seemed to look a little closer to his previous form) he looked pretty terrible. He was wildly missing shots against the obese Buster Mathis Jr, and the inept Peter McNeeley. Even though those fights ended early, there were serious signs of decline in his skills. The Seldon fight was such a joke, it showed us nothing. All that being said, Holyfield looked so bad against Czyz, I still thought Tyson would take him. But, instead, Holyfield came in as prepared and ready as he ever had before and put on a great performance to solidify his legacy. Conversely, Tyson's legacy was forever tarnished as a result of his poor preparation. Whether it was lack of training, or, just lack of focus and desire, Tyson was just never the same post prison.

 

They don't know what their talking about, they've all got scrambled eggs for brain s.
I should know.. I was there!

 

Not that much at first. He still had the Tyson aura.

After the first Holyfield bout, the decline was noticeable.

 

Obviously there was rust when he first got out and decline steadily along the way, but I don’t think there’s much difference in the Tyson of Bruno II and he Tyson of Douglas.

I think Evander ate his soul in the first fight and he was less and less resolved and interested going forward after that — especially when you tack on another 18-month layoff due to suspension for the ear-biting.

From Botha on, he’s being carefully matched and mainly relying on landing a big punch.

 

Yes, I saw it. He fought in spurts more and more, lost discipline, lost the sharpness required for a midget like him to rule a division of Goliaths.

 

He steadily became more flat footed and threw less combinations hoping that a single punch would be enough to get his opponent into trouble. Often it still did.

 

Yes, it was palpable in every respect. Punches were less crisp and compact, he threw less, fewer combos, defense not as solid, legs especially not as strong and sturdy - he got moved a lot more easily. Four years on the shelf is a lot of time for an elite fighter. He still had really good, special power with his explosive snap, which masked his deficiencies to some extent, but he was an imitation of his former self.

 

It started way before prison. Against Bruno 1 he was sloppy and got hit very hard and hurt .the truth never had a chance to get going which was lucky for Mike and of course Douglas showed Tysons weakness and lack of focus in Tokyo. He was never the same. the Rudock fights is when I noticed how far back he had gone just power and toughness slugging it out no head movement not the same feet . This would not work on every fighter Holy in particular.

 

Let me look in my Chrystal bowl here.......

A elite, generational talent who was going off the rails BEFORE prison and then fights less than a dozen rounds in four years while being incarcerated and it comes to a end when he fights a Top shelf guy who was active with a expert PED team on his side.......after prison its safe to say a Tyson impersonator was active, it was a shid show from the beginning to the end, he could not even get his shid right for the Mental Midget Golata while blowing weed..................post prison Tyson had zero ambition, zero dedication and zero discipline as a Pro fighter, he was absolute determent to self destruct, financially and physically.