For those of you who are picking Mosley over Mayweather.

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  1. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd like to know why? I'm not looking to start an argument but I'd like to know why you are picking Shane Mosley over Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    Do you beleve Mosley is the better boxer will his slight size advantage will make the diffrance? Do you fell Mosley's speed is faster than Mayweather's speed?
    Are you a Mosley fan and would pick him regaurdless?
    Are you a Mayweather hatter and would pick against him no matter what?
    Are you simpely playing the odds? Acording to vbookie Mayweather is a 3/1 bet to win while Mosley is a 10/3 bet to win.
     
  2. Trixie

    Trixie Active Member Full Member

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    I have cash on a Mayweather UD, but I have never been particularly happy with it. I followed the Vegas "wise guys" I know. In actuality, I like Mosley to win, but I could never pull the trigger on a bet against Floyd.

    My perspective is that:

    + Floyd has one style. He is magnificent at it, but it is still, when all is said and done, one style. If anyone can figure out a way to beat it (and I can't accept that there is such a thing as an unbeatable style) it has to be Naazim.

    + Mosley's slight, but very real, reach advantage.

    + For the large part, I consider Floyd untested at this weight. When he says "40 came in with a game plan, and 40 have failed", this in fact reinforces this concept to me. The only boxers he has fought at the weight, and indeed at Jr WW, none of them have been trained by top level trainers who I would consider having the requisite understanding of the sport to come up with an adequate game plan. Exception: Roach and DLH. But for the record I consider Naazim to be a more adept trainer.

    In short, I believe that Naazim is the X-factor and at the price, makes a bet on Shane worth a punt. Although Mayweather took him apart, for periods, Hatton was a genuine test, and DLH too. I can't see why Mosley wouldn't be any different. Floyd isn't untouchable, and I disagree with Naazim that if you hit him he will "turn into a dragon". I don't think he likes to get hit at all.

    The first thing that he did when he got back into his dressing room after the Marquez fight was to go look in the mirror and make sure he hadn't damaged his looks. I really think Mosley can put a scare in him if he lands 2-3 good, stiff shots.

    I also think that Floyd might make things difficult for himself if he takes the time he usually does to adjust to Mosley's style. He could dig himself a 3-4 round hole he needs to fight out of if he isn't careful. And he can't bank on Mosley mentally breaking down like Judah and to a lesser extent, Hatton did.

    To me, the Marquez fight is a non-entity. The stylistic match-up was ALL wrong for JMM, who - in spite of being a true, true warrior - couldn't help but be intimidated when fighting a guy who is clearly stronger, bigger, faster, and more technically proficient than you are.

    Bottom line is I can't accept that a boxer or his style is completely unbeatable. And therefore someone has to have the key to beating it. I just think Naazim might be that guy.

    For the record I also like Manny to KO Floyd. So perhaps I am just a Floyd-hater and should be completely disregarded.
     
  3. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good post, except I think you have it backwards....I think mayweather is the more adaptive fighter, and he will beat shane, sahne is the one in this fight that seems to have just the "one style"....mosley relies on handspeed, and is not afraid to trade with guys becaue usually his hand speed is superior....However, in this fight shane will look awful once floyd sees what he has...
     
  4. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Nazim richardson has mosley looking sharp and he keeps him focused on the gameplan with good advice inbetween rounds whereas before mosley was just more wreckless. I also look at who mayweather has fought since 02 compared to mosleys resume. If mosley can land that jab early mayweather is ****ed. I also think mosley has the physical tools to do it. Speed/power. We havent seen mayweathers chin tested. I cant wait.
     
  5. blur

    blur WLADGLASSJAW Full Member

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    im picking shane to win. shane is a pretty hard puncher and one punch can end it. floyd may run all night and potshots, throw quick counters but i dont think it will do any damage on shane so shane pressures him and sure will land a clean hard punch on floyd and kos him. shane via ko late round.
     
  6. Trixie

    Trixie Active Member Full Member

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    I don't think Shane can end it with one punch. Mayweather does work on his neck muscles and I haven't seen him severely rattled before, even though he has been caught flush a couple of times. I don't think one punch can end this one, but I do think it can cause Floyd to curl up
     
  7. J.R.

    J.R. No Mames Guey Full Member

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    Another guy who overrates Shane's power. Mosley is a good puncher alright, but he's not a fight ending banger the likes of Tommy Hearns. So if you're basing your prediction on a miracle one-punch KO then you're really reaching here.

    Another poster put it very well when he said those picking Mosley are all heart, and basing their predictions on zero logic.
     
  8. Trixie

    Trixie Active Member Full Member

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    This is fair, but I don't completely buy in to this idea that Floyd "adapts to any boxer any time". I think Floyd watches the tape, does his research, lies about it, and then impliments. He adapted against Zab (when Roger told him what to do inbetween rounds) and he adapted against DLH to take his jab away. But other than that I'm not so sure.

    If Naazim feels like gambling, he will send Shane out in one style and then after three rounds switch it up against completely, and keep doing that every couple rounds. Who knows...

    You're right Shane has one style too, but unlike Floyd he has a new trainer, new camp, etc. While we KNOW what Floyd is coming out with on May 1st, we don't know what Shane is...
     
  9. Trixie

    Trixie Active Member Full Member

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    Spot on about the power, but hyperbolic in regards Mosley's chances. I suppose you know better than Bert Sugar, Naazim Richardson, Shane Mosley, etc
     
  10. J.R.

    J.R. No Mames Guey Full Member

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    Yes I do. :D Visit me after the fight and you'll see.
     
  11. DoubleM

    DoubleM Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Mayweather fights one style?

    LMAO.
     
  12. blur

    blur WLADGLASSJAW Full Member

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    he has power and im not overrating it. one punch to the jaw then its all over. its boxing, anything can happen.
     
  13. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree, the point in watching tape is looking for habits in fighters....shane doesnt move his head at all, and I think that will get him into problems in this fight...shane will be there to be hit....can shane hit floyd to win a majority of rounds? I'm skeptical....I wouldn't be suprise at all either if this fight is fought on the inside, and mosley gets outworked....also making it maybe controversial decision...
     
  14. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    I have followed Mosley's career from jumpstreet.
    His fights for the most part are/have always been better to watch... ect.

    That said, I enjoy Mosley & would like to see him win.
     
  15. J.R.

    J.R. No Mames Guey Full Member

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    Once again... if you're basing your prediction on a one punch KO of an elite fighter then you're really, really reeaaaching!



    And for the record, Shane doesn't have one punch KO power either.