For those that think Mayweather would beat Cotto easily: Slap yourselves.

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  1. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Some of you supposed analysts are going out of your way to say that Floyd would easily beat Cotto, mainly based off what I'm assuming you saw against Hatton, which coincidently wasn't very much if you're coming to this conclusion.

    Hatton and Cotto have 2 similiarities, they are both natural pressure fighters, and they both often win fights by breaking their opponent down with a volume of punches, especially to the body.

    That's where the comparison stops.

    Cotto has something that Hatton doesn't, and its not just size and strength which has been reitirated to no end on this board as the only advantage Cotto has over Hatton.

    What is it?

    It's the ability to deliver intelligent pressure.

    Why wasn't Hatton doing this? Well for one, Floyd's six inch reach advantage and Hatton's lack of explosiveness might have had something to do with this, but this is only a portion of the problem.

    Hatton was coming in without throwing the jab, and he was going straight in, almost squared up.

    The most important thing you can do against a good boxer, such as Floyd is to come in at an angle while throwing a jab.

    If you go straight in, Floyd will t-off on your face with a straight right hand. Hatton was doing this all night.

    Do you think the outcome would be any different if than what happened with Floyd if Hatton faced Mosley or even Judah, (substituting a straight left)?

    Why do you think it is that Hatton has been avoiding boxers in his division?

    At the same time, Cotto has been actively pursuing them. He's fought Malinaggi, (when he doesn't brawl, possibly the closest thing to Floyd above 140), Judah, (arguably one of the most dangerous fighters there is for the first 6 rounds), and Mosley, (a very dangerous, well rounded, boxer with the ability to slug).

    That's probably the best possible lineup that you could encouter in preperation for Floyd.

    In the meantime, since Kosta, Hatton has been fighting mostly swarmers and sluggers, but no one really threatened to outbox him.

    Why is this important? Well, if you gotta ask this question, you should probably just go ahead and slap yourself now. :patsch

    For those of ya'll with an imprint of your hand on your face, this is important because Cotto has the experience of what to do against slick boxers.

    Haven't you noticed the improvement in his jab? How often was Cotto getting tagged with FLUSH straight right hands against Mosley, and straight lefts against Judah?

    He wasn't, and why? Because he coming in at angles and using the jab/double jab to keep his opponent on the defensive and off balance.

    This is by far the most important aspect of how to approach fighting a skilled boxer, especially one like Floyd. You can't expect to come straight in or he's going to knock your head off and look spectacular in the process.

    BUT, since we're on it, Cotto has more than just that.

    Cotto doesn't rely on smothering his opponent and throwing a punch and clinching/wrestling like Hatton does, but Cotto gets his distance and throws some fluid combinations.

    How many combinations did you see Hatton throw against Floyd? Exactly.

    Hatton failed to get the distance that was necessary to deliver these combinations. It's really not his style anyway, as his is punch, grab, keep the distance close.

    While Cotto will want to stay on the inside, (and he'll do much better than Hatton because of the above mentioned reasons), he'll do MUCH MUCH better on the outside due to his approach which was adapted from his experience with top boxers.

    So who will win this fight?

    That's a question you need to ask yourself, but for ya'll that think Floyd will in easily need to slap yourselves, TWICE.

    :patsch

    Floyd is a great boxer, but he wants to retire from the game, not get retired.

    And even if he beats Cotto, he WILL take a beating.

    Cotto ain't Hatton and Floyd knows it.
     
  2. Arkanscott

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    I think Cotto has the best chance to beat Floyd. He has proven that he can deal with speed (SSM fight) and he has the tools to beat Floyd.

    Oscar and Zeb (and Hatton to a degree) showed that the way to beat Floyd is through rough-house tactics, pressure and working the body. Oscar was to old (he could've won the fight if he didn't get worn out), Floyd was able to figure Zeb out and Hatton didn't use selective aggression (he just walked in and started throwing). I think Cotto could land his jab against Floyd (like Oscar did) and rough-house (like Oscar, Hatton and Zeb). I also think that he could work his body real good (has anyone ever really done this against Floyd?).

    It would be a great fight. I hope it happens. I really don't know who would win, but it would go down as one of the greatest fights.

    I really think our best chance of seeing this fight happen is for Cotto to contiue to fight for a year or two, being very active and make a name for himself...then, Floyd will have monetary reasons to risk defeat.

    Man, I hope this happens...

    Cotto, if you read this site, please, after your next victory, start talking **** about Floyd so he'll look over to his manager and say, "make the fight happen"
     
  3. Guru_Too_You

    Guru_Too_You ESB OG circa '99 Full Member

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    Funny but after all that talk, Cotto is going after De La Hoya. Another one of Floyd's leftovers. If they wanted the bout with Floyd, they would have at least TRIED to make it happen considering its the biggest fight in boxing right now.

    This isnt the first time team Cotto has run in the other direction.
     
  4. mr. magoo

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    Well, apparently Cotto is campaigning for a fight with Oscar De la hoya, instead of Mayweather, so what does that tell you?
     
  5. Guru_Too_You

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    :good
     
  6. BITCH ASS

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    I hate to say it, but Floyd is a very good fighter.

    I wouldn't mind it if Cotto fought DLH.

    Honestly, I still think that DLH-PBF could have been a draw, so it's not like DLH is an easy fight.

    Personally, I think now is the time for Cotto to go after PBF because I think he's gotten all the preperation that he needs, but if he fights DLH, I'm not upset about it.

    Floyd said that he's retiring anyway, so he probably needs some time to think things over before getting in the ring with Cotto.
     
  7. BITCH ASS

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    It doesn't necessarily tell me anything right now.

    Perhaps Cotto is trying to make a statement by fighting DLH.

    Maybe he thinks he can knock him out. If that is the case, think about the publicity that would surround a Cotto-Mayweather fight.

    It would be one of the biggest fights in HISTORY!
     
  8. BITCH ASS

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    That's true, but Hatton didn't have the preperation to deal with a boxer of Mayweather's calibur.

    Experience means a lot, and Hatton just didn't have it, while Cotto does.

    Cotto can box too, and when he does apply pressure it's intelligent as he comes in at angles and delivers the jab.

    Hatton wasn't doing this.
     
  9. mr. magoo

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  10. joito3

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    I'd bet on Cotto if he fights Mayweather
     
  11. BITCH ASS

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  12. digiram

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    Cotto and Hatton have other differences as well. Hatton is a much more intense pressure fighter, has quicker hands, and quicker feet.

    Cotto is the much more intellegent boxer of course, but Floyd ain't Judah or Malignaggi. Far from them.

    Floyd is quicker than both, has better D, and can fight on the inside.

    Floyd would get his shots off before Cotto or counter him all night. I see Floyd winning this via TKO or stoppage due to cuts.

    I would love to see this fight though, and I think it'll happen. There's so much money to be made, and Money Mayweather loves the chedda.

    Might not happen in 08 though, and probably won't happen if Cotto decides to fight DLH as DLH would KO him as well.
     
  13. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think it was the experience of Hatton, he just didn't have the tools in his bag to deal with Floyd once Floyd dug into his own bag of tools and pulled out the Hatton hammer
     
  14. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Floyd ain't quicker than Judah.
     
  15. heidegger

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    Cotto has a great chance of beating Floyd.
    He is a solid boxer with no holes.
    Having said that, Floyd wide UD.
    - Floyd cant be hit.