For those who think Froch will win...

Booth was his biggest weapon esp emotionally

 

It's a toss-up fight, but I think Froch wins because he now knows definitively that he can't box with Groves at all, which was his biggest error in the first fight imo. He'll come after him from the jump and won't bother with his jab, which was just counter-fodder in fight one. Groves will certainly land on him, but Carl is just more likely to be able to outlast Groves in that scenario. He'll eventually catch him enough to force a legit stoppage. Fight should be excellent either way though.

 

Jog on you dinlo judges clearly on the Hearn payroll groves won every round

 

Only reason I think Froch could win is he is the stronger fighter when it comes to going in the trenches, if Groves didn't have question marks around him gassing and could do a hard 12 rounds and look comfortable, he would probably be a 1/4 favourite

 

I don't get where this line that "the bookies never pick the wrong favourite" comes from. They do quite a lot they just manipulate the odds of the favourite and the underdog according to money betted to ensure they almost always come away winners regardless. As for the fight again this line that "Groves could not have done better and Froch could not have done worse" is crap. Groves could very possibly do better he was 25 and had only had 19 pro bouts and was using a new trainer, Froch could also do worse he's 37, didn't appear to take the last fight lightly and it could have taken a lot out of him. It's still no formality either way but my money is definetly on Groves this time.

 

I bet on boxing quite a lot and I can tell you the bookies are quite often wrong. For a start Froch was a huge underdog at the start of the super 6. He was the least favourite to win.

Broner v Maidana
JMM v Pacman 3 (I had JMM we all know he won)
Froch v Bute also Froch v Abraham
Hatton v Senchenko

Just a couple off the top of my head that I won quite big with. I lost the JMM v PAC bet but shouldn't have. Biggest bet I ever won was when Williams KO'd Tyson, think I won about 5 grand

 

There are quite a few questions about this fight. Will Groves stamina have improved? I think it will have improved and for me he wasn't as tired as some are making out, Groves won the 7th clearly not Froch as some are saying, but there are still questions that he can last 12 at the pace even though he was stopped prematurly with 3 1/2 rounds left. Also if Froch is caught early like he was last time how will he react? Another question you need to ask as a gambler is how will the officials act.

 

keep dreaming you lot , the P4P King (Froch) will return
andre ward will then be forced to travel to England and get smashed :deal

 

People questioning Groves stamina are insane, look at Froch just before the fight was called off he was exhausted.

The fight was brutal and both men were shattered. Froch couldn't keep his arms up after the 7th round.main thing is the fight is on and it will be brilliant.

 

If the same knockdown happens in this fight but in the middle of a round its game over.

People seem to forget Froch was saved by the bell in the very 1st round.

 

If Froch goes in gung ho from the off and tries to sustain the forward momentum then he will almost certainly get Knocked down multiple times and possibly knocked out. Froch came in with this very attitude in round round 1 of the first fight and walked onto a monster right hand. Even in round 9 he was walking onto big shots when he started his desperate bull rush, but most of the sting was taken off due to GG tiredness.

There is no way that I can see Froch continuely walking through GG shots at the beginning of the fight, he will eat flush shot after flush shot and get KO'd. Like I stated in a previous thread the only way Froch can win is to take Groves into championship rounds and try to force the stoppage. It's the only way I can see Froch winning the rematch, He needs to apply intelligent pressure and get Groves to work and work without taking too many shots then from rounds 9/10 onwards start turning the screw once the sting has been taken away from Groves.

 

That is not how the first fight started man. Froch was actually backed up by Groves the majority of the first round, tried to jab him at distance and was countered fairly regularly by Groves' own jab or the right hand over the top. Near the end of the round, Groves countered a Froch jab with a long right hand, backed Froch to the ropes and landed a few more right hands, then a shaky Froch tried to respond back and ate that nasty left hook-right hand counter combination from Groves that dropped him. Froch was not going gung-ho from the off, he was trying to use his limited boxing ability to no avail early.

As to Froch forcing Groves to work without taking too many shots, that's not going to happen. Froch doesn't have a good defense and he's not going to develop one in that short a period of time. That said, I think you underrate his ability to take Groves' punches at closer range where Groves doesn't get full power on the shots. Froch doesn't get the power either but his durability is less in question than Groves, and he was able to stand up to many flush shots from Groves in the first fight.

 

I rewatched the fight last night, You are right in what you're saying. He did come forward in a gung ho manner though in round 1 which is when he got dropped hard then for the next 6 or so rounds was on his bicycle. I just remembered the first round differently, before rewatching.

I think the jab worked very well for Froch in the first fight and I think if he can get Groves to move on the back foot and keep sticking that stiff jab in Groves face and catch counter shots with his back hand crossed over he maybe able to even win some rounds and he did make rounds close in the first by utilizing the jab. No matter what though, for Froch to win he is going to have to take punishment that's not even in question, as Froch's defense is terrible.

 

Bookies are wrong here because all polls indicate this is a 50:50 fight and the odds were too wide when betting opened.

I'm picking Groves but I can see why people have picked Froch.