For Wladimir Klitschko to rank in the top 20 heavyweights of all time

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    If Wladimir beats David Haye in june, then defeats young undefeated heavyweights Alexander Potvekin and either Chris Arreola/ or Ruslan Chagaev , I will without question call for him to be in everyones top 20 heavyweights of all time list. That is my opinion. Those 3-4 guys right there all bring something to the table for Wlad to struggle with, and all of them are young and in there prime coming off good wins. That would also give Wlad 9 consecutive title defenses of his IBF heavyweight title and a career 9 title defenses of his WBO heavyweight title. Wlad has his chance right now in the next 2 years to make a Sonny Liston sweep through the division, lets see what he does with it. If Wlad decides to do yet another unification and add the WBA belt along with fighting those young studs, then that will only further enhance his legacy.


    ps Please leave Vitali out of this thread
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I already have him at #20. I think if he goes unbeaten from now he'll get closer and closer to being locked in, yes.

    Eddie Chambers will get hammered by Wlad. That is easy pickings for Klitschko on the styles.
     
  3. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I already have him top20, but he can still rise or drop depending on the future.

    If he beats Haye, then Povetkin then one of Chagaev/Arreola/Chambers/Valuev, he's got a very strong legacy. His losses will always haunt him, but he's got a good set of wins, consistency and a great trainer in his corner.

    I do think he's slowing down quite a bit though, and i wonder how he'll deal with Haye's very fast hands and power.
     
  4. SuzieQ49

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    Thats a bit of a stretch. He still has yet to beat a top young stud out there, lets wait until he at least beats potvekin or haye.


    Chambers is a modern day Tony Tubbs. But if you think chambers is not a test, then throw in Chris Arreola instead. Also Ruslan Chagaev is still undefeated WBA champion.
     
  5. McGrain

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    I agree. He's become so adept at controlling range and tempo that he might get away with it, but that remains to be seen.
     
  6. ChrisPontius

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    What about Peter and Byrd (first fight) ?
     
  7. McGrain

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    Whereabouts would you rank him currently?

    See, I think Chagaev was a really good fighter, but he's so hampered by injuries. I feel that loss a little bit, because there was a time when i (mistakenly, I think) saw him as the best out there.
     
  8. SuzieQ49

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    Totally agree


    Agreement, although I have never been sold on Manny Steward as a All time great trainer. Call me crazy, but that is just my opinion.

    I think Wlads past his best days too. What happened to the lethal offensive tiger wlad of the 1990s who threw lethal combinations and had one deadly left hook he used consistently?
     
  9. FromWithin

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    I'm surprised you guys have him in the top 20 already.

    I think his standing will suffer if Haye knocks him out.. He needs to knock Haye, Povetkin, Arreola.. A win against Ruiz/Valuev/Chagaev would be really good too.
     
  10. SuzieQ49

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    Bryd is a very good win, but that is a huge stylistic advantage he had in there.


    Peter at 243lb was a good win at the time, but peters performance ever since have proven himself to not be considered a world class fighter. I do think Wlad beat the best version of peter we have seen (243lb).


    Potvekin and Haye are both young legite threats with top talent better we have ever seen from bryd/peter and would be huge legacy defining wins for Wlad
     
  11. SuzieQ49

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    I think I have him around # 24, but if he knockouts Haye in june he will move up to my # 20 spot, and if he convinsingly beats Potvekin after that, he will move up to my # 18 spot. To get into my top 20, you got to have at least one legacy defining very good win, and with Wlads embarrasing losses in the past, hes going to need it.
     
  12. McGrain

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    4 spots is a huge leap for one win. I suppose if you have a "legacy defining win" type clause in your ratings that can happen, though.

    Do you rank him above Bowe, Norton, Jackson, Langford, Tunney or Baer currently?
     
  13. janitor

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    His paper acomplishments to date would have got him a top 20 or at least top 30 rank in any other era.

    Of course you will always be tempted to hold fire with a fighter who is still active.

    The David Haye fight should tell us a thing or two. It will be a bad match for Wlad in many ways.

    A future Povetkin fight would also be a good test.

    I tend to agree that Haye and Povetkin along with Chagev might be the toughest tests out there for him.
     
  14. ChrisPontius

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    Agreed, but should that really matter? We can agree that Liston had a great stylistic advantage over Patterson, but they're still great wins, right?
     
  15. SuzieQ49

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    Sure Chris...Although I really do believe Patterson is in a different class than Bryd as a fighter and Talent Level, although your point is well taken. I think we can both agree that wins over Haye and Potvekin are legacy defining wins for wladimir.