Foreman and Tyson

A prime tyson would never just stand and trade. Tyson had the faster and more accurate combinations mixed to the body and head. But foreman probably hit harder. Both very durable so who knows? :conf Maybe foreman on the basis of pure power and reach, (since all defense is out)

 

Easy. Whoever gets to throw the first punch. Man...if Foreman gave Tyson a free shot or Tyson give Foreman a free shot - someone is going to the hospital. No kidding.

Any way, I get you. Suppose Tyson & Foreman fought like Foreman-Lyle (not that it'll happen due to reach & style but suppose). Honestly, I don't think you can predict this. There are too many intangibles to chin & power.

Now before someone says Foreman had a better chin than Tyson (on the basis of the Holy fight or whatever) - I don't think it's that simple. Just as it isn't simple enough to say that Tyson never came close to getting decked with a single shot (maybe maybe against Lewis when he was shot and after a few rounds) whereas Foreman has been knocked down with a single punch early in a fight.

Everything in life has a margin of error. There is no absolute measurement. If you measure your weight - you have to say +/- 10 lbs. Chin & Power also have a large margin of error. There is no absolute value. Lots of intangibles. For example, if you give Tyson's power a 80/100, the margin of error maybe +/- 30 (I know it's large). Foreman may be 90 +/- 30.

Can anyone say which is greater? 80 +/- 30 or 90+/- 30. The answer is neither and it depends. The best you can do is say that Foreman and Tyson both hit like tanks. Both were tough as stone. As to who hit harder or who was tougher - you don't know - you can only say for one fight between them that you watch and see the outcome.

 

The uppercut may decide the fight...and both had very good ones.

Plus no one ever backs Foreman up. Tyson in retreat is not his forte'.

Foreman would be pushing and flailing, and Tyson would be trying to land combos.

What a fight, and it doesn't go more that 3 rounds no matter who wins.

 

Tyson, because he was faster and would land first.

I also think Tyson's chin was better than Foreman's, even if it was only by a little. He fought more hard punchers than 1970s George did and never got Lyle'd.

Now that I think of it, he actually fought ALOT of good/great punchers, whereas Foreman fought very few. Who were the top 5 hardest punchers Foreman fought pre- first retirement?

 

Like the way Patterson did against Liston?

Don't ignore how styles & reach make an impact on who lands.

 

Big George Foreman KO 3rd, Tyson thrived on intimidation and thats one of the things Foreman used to thrive on that cold stare of Foremans etc

Tyson would not be able to take it from a bigger stronger bully

 

Their power really wasn't anything alike.

Foreman had a "crude" power which he clubbed you into submission with.

Tyson's power was more attributed to speed and precision then brute force. "Clean" power.

 

I just feel that Tyson's hand speed would cause a lot of problems for Big George. In a straight toe-to-toe matchup, I can't see Foreman coming out on top. Foreman would be too slow, too crude, and too wide open.

 

Foreman demolishes Tyson in 3 rounds, period, point blank. Tyson would land some great shots, but Foreman would never stop clubbing away and he'd put Mike to sleep.

 

Apples and oranges for many reasons.

1. Patterson's defense is worse than Tyson's (albeit not by much), and Foreman's is worse than Liston's (by alot). Foreman and Liston really have entirely different styles, apart from their abnormal strength.

2. Patterson had serious chin/balance problems at heavyweight. Tyson has nothing of the sort.

3. Kind of fits in with #3, but Patterson was a pumped up LHW, Liston a full-sized heavy. Tyson and George are actually similar in size.

4. Tyson's power is vastly greater than Patterson's. Patterson couldn't hurt Liston one way or another, which put him in a bad situation. I don't think many believe that Foreman can shrug off Tyson's quick, powerful, accurate combos like Liston did Patterson's.

5. It can be argued that Liston had a better chin than 1970s Foreman.

6. There's also the intimidation factor in Liston vs. Patterson... Patterson was a very protected champ and Liston was perhaps the biggest terror in HW history.

All in all, Tyson is just a much, much better fighter (at HW) than Patterson. He's Patterson 2.0 - bigger, stronger, a harder puncher, more durable.