Foreman--Briggs, the robbery that wasn't

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  1. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Now this is a good analyses!

    Looking at individual spots describe compared to others is instructive.
    For example, the OP thinks that Briggs won round 12 by virtue of heavy, effective clean punches late in the round.
    You say they were sloppy & do not land well.
    He describes Briggs as having landed more combinations & cleaner punches throughout the fight.

    Looking at just that last minute carefully should tell us who is more accurate in evaluating the whole bout.
     
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  2. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No way Briggs won the 12th round. Watch the round in it’s entirety. I don’t see how anyone comes to that conclusion
     
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  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Clean punches. Birggs had a good last minute and landed the harder shots. He wasn't pushing his punches.

    Either way, you came away with George by 1 round and I suspect you like him more than Shannon Briggs.

    It was not a robbery.
     
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  4. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I didn’t say it was robbery I said Foreman won the fight and he clearly won the 12th round. Have to strongly disagree with your analysis of the final round. Don’t insinuate I favor Foreman over Briggs out of preference for George. Cheap move.
     
  5. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don’t remember scoring this although I did watch it. Not sure I want to suffer through it just to score it either lol.

    it does seem you are largely correct...EOTR (certainly not an expert panel) has 100% disagreement and only 2 posters scored a draw...oddly one of them is named McGrain..not sure if it is @McGrain or someone else in the world shared his username

    http://www.eyeonthering.com/boxing/george-foreman-vs-shannon-briggs
     
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  6. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I did not either. Anyway, I am not a big fan of rewatching fights multiple times trying to justify bad decisions
     
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  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Power punches:
    Briggs—166
    Foreman—127

    Hmm
     
  8. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    my recollection is Foreman setting the pace with his jab and being busier overall. Landing clearly more punches
     
  9. McGrain

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    I find EOTR very interesting, especially when they get, say, 20 guys to score a fight. Once the sample size gets big I think it irons out questionable scorecards (some folks reject it as being usable for popular fighters though, mostly when it suits them though).
     
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  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    George whipped Briggs’ ass in the 8th and easily took rounds 2,3, and 4.

    Briggs had cleaner and harder power punches for the rest of the fight, but Foreman moved forward and did much better work with the jab. Foreman’s power punching at that age was ineffective as he couldn’t get his weight behind his shots anymore.
     
  11. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    LET'S ROB CHAAAMP !
    Lol
     
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  12. Mario040481

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    Doesn't Holyfield STILL think he beat Lewis?
    Broner says he beat Pacquiao lol
     
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  13. swagdelfadeel

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    Foreman - 284/484 (59%) ~ 157 jabs landed,
    Briggs - 223/494 (45%) ~ 57 jabs landed,

    Do you really wanna bring up punch stats?
     
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  14. PhillyPhan69

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    props to you for posting your card and putting it out there knowing everyone was going to insult you.

    I have not seen this probably since it happened. And ended up w/ the same score as you switching 11/12

    1 Briggs
    2 Foreman (close)
    3 Foreman
    4 Foreman
    5 Briggs (close)
    6 Briggs
    7 Briggs
    8 Foreman
    9 Briggs (close)
    10 Briggs
    11 Briggs (close)
    12 Foreman (close)

    I thought there were 5 close rounds that the fight hinges upon. I guess Briggs 117-111 to 116-112 Foreman is the extreme if you scored all of the close rounds to one guy. I had 3 for Briggs and 2 for George in these swing rounds.

    my take 115-113 Briggs


    I was amused after the card was read “this is not the first time the judges have watched a different fight than us”....they meant it as a knock on the judges...I take it as a knock at the inept biased commentary HBO often displayed. I do think Roy was mostly partial and was the only one to give Briggs any props.

    edit: I meant Roy was fairly impartial
     
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  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Yeah, I think we’ve both come up pretty similar to the judges’ cards on several fights that were controversial.

    Too bad Larry Holmes wasn’t in the booth for this one.
     
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