Foreman - Is it telling that...

1. Charles and Moore--Charles defeated 40 fighters rated when he fought them, and had 18 victories (against six defeats) against Hall-of-Famers. Moore defeated 44 fighters rated when he fought them, and had 12 victories (against 10 defeats and a draw) against Hall-of-Famers. If Moorer has similar achievements when he retires, he should be ranked with them.
Both Charles and Moore fought often and well at heavy. Charles defeated 16 heavys rated when he fought them--Moore eleven. In fairness, Moorer's victory over Holyfield is more impressive than any single victory by Charles or Moore, but Schmeling's victory over Joe Louis, while more impressive than any single victory of Jeffries, Johnson, or Dempsey, does not, in most people's eyes, elevate him above these old champions, as his overall record is weaker.

2. Izon was a bum?--He was good enough to knockout Savarese and what difference does it make what Tua's braintrust thought of him going in? Beating Savarese in hindsight means that he beat Savarese, period.

3. It is speculation what Ibeabuchi would have done with Moorer--It is not speculation that he defeated Tua, while Moorer was ko'd by Tua in one.

4. Tua knocked out Moorer in 2002. Yes, in one round. Sort of like Sonny Liston knocking out Roy Harris in 1960. Makes it obvious Liston was better, doesn't it, whatever one thinks of each man's accomplishments in the 1950's.

5. Tommy Morrison is another who could be ranked ahead of Moorer. Moorer was knocked out by Foreman, while Morrison defeated Foreman cleanly.

6. Moorer's victory over Holyfield isn't just the cornerstone of his resume--it is practically the whole resume, his only impressive win at heavyweight.

 

The thing I remember most about Holy-Moorer 1 was Teddy Atlas going bananas in the corner. He was begging, pleading, threatening and berating Moorer after every round.
Each to his own, but I was not impressed nor convinced by Moorer as a heavyweight.

 

Nobody was.
When Moorer won the title the story in the heavyweight division was how awful Holyfield suddenly looked (and his diagnosed heart trouble) and how Riddick Bowe should get in shape.

Few people - if any - considered Moorer the best heavyweight in the world. He'd looked totally unconvincing scraping past an utterly dismal and jaded Holyfield.

 

Magoo clearly was.

 

Undoubtably

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