Foreman KOs Moorer. Luck or judgment?

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  1. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Foreman did start pretty slow in that fight. And he did have a few good rounds earlier in the fight; I don't agree with the people who say that Moorer basically swept every round and Foreman was totally out of the fight. The first round was pretty even; the second round was actually pretty good for George - he landed a few good stiff rights. Moorer, of course, was landing the quicker shots and was scoring more, but Foreman was getting in some heavy, thudding shots. Foreman also hit Moorer with a real hard right hand in the beginning of the 8th round; Moorer was definately stung.
     
  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    That about sums it up. All I have to add is the thudding effect of Foreman's jab. It's like getting hit with a sledgehammer and it landed repeatedly on Moorer. If you rewatch the fight you can see the damage Foreman inflicted with the jab and sneaky right in the last three rounds. Also how Foreman hides the right hand by letting his left paw linger in front of his opponent. It's sort of an off-rhythm 1-2.
     
  3. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Most "home runs" are "lucky"........but the great hitters swing for them anyway.

    George doesn't quit and knew he would connect with his big right against the southpaw sometime.....just hoped he wouldn't run out of rounds.
     
  4. janitor

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    Foremans job was obviously made easier by Moorers willingnes to stand in front of him.

    Was this just stupidity on Moorers part or did Foreman deliberatley set out to lull him into a false sense of security?
     
  5. mr. magoo

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    I think some forget that Moorer, although a former LH and certainly vulnerable to a true HW hitter, was a puncher. He was no boxer by nature. It was perfectly normal for him to trade in close. In fact, he did more boxing against Foreman than I think I've seen him do against anyone else.
     
  6. AnthonyJ74

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    Lack of jugement on Moorer's part. If he kept moving and circling, he would have comfortably outpointed George. Moorer gave George the opening that he needed. But a guy with a better chin, Holyfield, McCall, etc, probably wouldn't have been dropped by the punch that put Moorer on his back.
     
  7. MrMarvel

    MrMarvel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Foreman knew what he was doing. He just patiently kept looking for the one-two that would do it. The punch he knocked Moorer out with was perfectly thrown.
     
  8. Bigcat

    Bigcat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mike boxed a punch perfect fight , then for some stupid reason decided to stand right in front of George.. Geprge meant for his homerun shot to land, so how could it be luck, he meant to hit him on the chops, and did so.. It was the shot he looked for all evening.. Mike was badly hurt...........
     
  9. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I certainly wouldn't call it luck. George Foreman had a plan based on his strengths and weaknesses and Michael Moorer's strengths and weaknesses. He trained and executed his plan. He wasn't looking to outpoint Moorer and then suddenly knocked him out with a lucky punch; he was planning for a knockout win all along, and he did it...in my opinion.

    If I make a plan and then carry it out successfully, that isn't luck in my book.
     
  10. divac

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    I'm with the consensus here....Watching it live, it did'nt look like Foreman was going to get it done.....

    ....but he pegged away, slowly but surely.....people dont realize that getting hit with a Foreman jab is like getting hit flush by most Heavyweights power punch....
    Foreman really put his weight behind that jab of his, and when it landed, it had the effects of getting hit with true power.....

    I never bought the idea that the KO was from a lucky punch....if you watched closely....Foreman had closed the distance gap and had been laying hands on Moorer more frequently a couple of rounds before the 10th.

    In hindsight however, Foreman although getting thouroughly outboxed throughout, had the right opponent in front of him for an old slow fighter like himself.....Moorer did'nt have the best endurance, and his chin was less than stellar, in fact it was below average for a Heavyweight.
    .....those two factors were key in Foreman being able to get to Moorer.
     
  11. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Agreed. Foreman gets full credit for landing the KO, but it's not like it was part of a master plan on his behalf to enter the 10th round needing a knockout to win (when would George ever gameplan on outlasting the other guy to KO them late? In his entire career, he never knocked a guy out late besides Moorer.). All Moorer had to do was survive the last 3 rounds to get the win, but he put himself out there on a silver platter- and, like most things on a silver platter, George ate him right up.
     
  12. GPater11093

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    that combo taht landed was so smart he planned it the whole fight left hook right hand it was just a matter for the right hand to hit clean
     
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    well yeah bit of both. judgment: he def chose to spam a 1-2 in the fight but it was luck that he caught him...he seemed to just hope that he would walk into it and he did.
    lets remember it was only 1 or 2 punches that hurt or caught moorer really cleanly the whole fight.

    he just kept throwing and got what he wanted. that is heart and determination it's not that he outthought moorer he just kept trudging on.


    hbo seems to hint that he outsmarted moorer, a nice poetic justice that he was outsmarted in zaire,one of the most famous example of ring tactics . but i dont think it was a dream ending in fact he got a title shot for being a fighter that everybody had heard of. went in as an underdog and just kept throwing like anybody in his position and toosl would do. and got the 1/100 chance that he would of caught moorer on the way in.


    not planned but george defintley spammed the 1-2 as much as he could
     
  14. Bigcat

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    I watched the tape after the event, It was hard to grasp when actually at the fight.. but it was so slick to see how George deliberate as he was put that jab out there as if to temporarily blindspot Mike from the right hand.. Mike didn't see it coming at all.. Very well placed shot... and heavy handed as hell... I know Doc Broadus very well, and he told me that he looked in on Moorer after the fight, and his lip was split deep alongside the gumshield and the teeth, he said he was biting down on a towel and blood was turning the whole towel pink...........
     
  15. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I think Moorer may have been looking for a decisive win/knockout, to gain respect. He probably saw how little respect Holyfield got even for a comfortable win over the old man.