Foreman or Shavers? Who was the...

neither do you! Just the men who fought him can judge you dim wit!

 

__you write like a 12 yr old!

 

what you are saying are just words! Why do u keep speaking of shavers' chin? The debate is the power which four of the best said was the hardest punches.

 

I'll fill you in. He has some kind of Obsession with Foreman. He just has this undying desire to defend Foreman at all costs. I wouldn't be surprised if he was Foreman himself.

 

and u have less to challenge it!

 

Then how do you explain Foreman ducking Shavers?

 

Genteleman, things got better after the moderator said things would be more carefully policed, MANY folks in a long thread about it, & ALL of the more mature, kind, mentally well balanced members applauded this. Now things have regressed.

Ask yourself if you are an offender: need I be threatened with banishment or exiled to change? Dp I CARE about being a decent human being/

Do I want respect as an adult, not infantile &/or vicious?
DO I want me opinions undermined by malice & to remain an anger management reflec ****** cartoon charcater forever?

Now then. this applies to folks on ALL sides of the issue.

Don't hate & have your whole identity & ego dependent upon agreement.

On this matter, i am disappointed that there is no answer to the challenge of myself & others, & the same argument is repeated instead.

Again, how effectively & often you KO a guy is a POOR measure of pure power.

Skills, defense, volume/workrate, effective combinations, chin & others things add up to KOS or the chance to GET KOs!

Shavers is regarded by ALL he fought, whatever the result, as the harder puncher. That he got so far with much more limited skills than Foreman would tend to be evidence dovetailing with those reports.

In this case, punching EFFECTIVENESS is confused with power by some.

 

I think Foreman had far more strength and potentially more power.

But Shavers threw his punches better, as did most fighters. Shavers probably generated more power in his punches, and people who sparred with him and fought him found his power "otherworldly".

I believe George Foreman would have killed men if he learned to deliver his punches with Shavers' technique.

Both were "freaks" of nature, but I think Foreman more so.

 

I don't think the quotes really significates that much. I don't doubt the fighters honesty, but the person that hit you the hardest is not necessarily the hardest puncher. Holmes didn't face Foreman, so of course he would name Shavers as the hardest puncher he faced. As for Ali and Young, there is nothing strange there, Shavers did hit them harder than did Foreman. Young was stopped him and Ali was visibly hurt by him severel times, both fared much better against Foreman. The only odd quote is the one by Lyle, Foreman obviously hurt him more than did Shavers. Maybe he didnt want to give him credit. How else can you measure the power of a punch other than through its impact?

As to whom carried more power, who knows? Foreman was obviously the better puncher, and that is what matters in the end.

 

That's true.
That's something a lot of fans don't seem to take into account when they read these quotes.

I don't think Foreman hit Lyle harder with a single punch though. In fact, Foreman had to throw dozens of punches on Lyle to keep him down. The KD punch from Shavers was probably harder than any single punch he took from Foreman.

In fact, it looks as if that right-hand punch from Ali had a greater effect on Lyle than any single punch from Foreman too.

I will say, I do think Foreman was a bit rusty, tentative at the beginning, and lacking in all areas against Lyle.
The Foreman of 1973-'74 probably would have bombed him out cleaner and sooner, with all due respect to Lyle.

 

Forget it. You are wasting your time. The idiot doesn't know the difference between facts, statistics, or educated opinions. Peoples opinions who have shared the ring with both Foreman and Shavers mean nothing to him. He has it in his pea brain that Foreman hit harder than Earnie, so he is convinced, in much the same way he probably believes in Father Christmas and a whole host of other nonsensical s.h.i.t.

 

I think FUTCH said the following about Rid****:"... I rate his punching power
with Sonny Liston's. For pure power, I only put four fighters -- Rocky Marciano,
Earnie Shavers, Mike Tyson and Joe Louis -- ahead of him and with time
and experience he can equal those."
Maybe he said this in 1991.
Nowhere Foreman.

 

This is a joke right?

 

Don't see how you have Vitaly over Wlad