Foreman-Quarry 1971

Foreman has said in interviews that him and his people avoided a matchup with Jerry Quarry. Just the same, I feel Foreman would win by a TKO, either from cuts or the referee saving Quarry from further punishment because Quarry would never quit no matter what. Ultimately, he was too tough for his own good.

 

I'd pick Foreman by tko round 4. Quarry would only be able to move and box for so long.

 

wow, i wouldnt have thought foreman would try and avoid quarry, least of all expect him to admit it.
i guess he did avoid shavers all his career. its kinda weird, foreman doesnt want no part of guys like shavers (even an old one) or quarry but had next to no fear of a prime mike tyson.
i just dont get it

 

I saw an interview where George said that.

It was on a Quarry documentary, and I can't help but feel George was being nice and self-deprecating.

But maybe he did duck Jerry :think

 

I think you guys are confusing prime Foreman against Quarry. The question posed here was 1971 Foreman against '71 Quarry. Now, yes Quarry was avoided by the Foreman camp. Maybe not necessarily Foreman himself, but most certainly by Dick Sadler who was calling the shots. Sadler guided Foreman very slowly and for good reason. He had power and little else. Remember, George did not have a lengthy amateur career. He won Olympic gold on power alone. Watch his fight with Ionas Chupulas (spelling?). Man, he was raw. Sadler built him up against stiffs and clubfighters, but that was OK, he needed to gain experience. Eventually they would throw in a prospect (Kirkman), former contenders (Chuvalo and Peralta), better than average but erratic clubfighters (O'Halloran and Wepner) and that was it. Foreman had a life and death struggle with 35 year old Peralta whom he outweighed by 25 pounds and was booed to death by the crowd. He didn't know what to do when the other guy didn't fold. It was obvious George was going to be a slow learner. I recall after stopping Ted Gullick, Dick Sadler was asked who he was fighting next and Sadler said, "Miguel Paez, who has a tech. win over Oscar Bonavena", like that DQ was a big deal or something. I was just a kid at the time but I remember saying, "Then why don't you fight Bonavena?". Bonavena and Quarry had styles that were completely wrong for George, especially in '71. Both fighters would have taken him to areas completely foreign to George. Sadler was right to avoid these guys in the grand scheme of things. In mid-'71, which is when I would assume this dream fight would take place, Quarry was in his prime and about to KO Jack Bodell with a sweet counter-right, which was his specialty (counter-punching) and I have no worries about picking Quarry at this time in their careers.

Scartissue

 

Foreman by decapitation, cant see what Quarry can do to win

 

Foreman has some, ah issues, and Scar, like always, has some really good points. Norton couldn't take a step backwards and Frazier usually wouldn't so they were both going to be right in George's line of power. Jerry at his best showed how he could counter powerfully against a hard jabbing, ko puncher in Mac Foster. Until he found an opening he was able to stay just outside of the range. I'm guessing thats what Dick Sadler was worried about.

 

quarry ud or tko...easy to be honest.

quarry had a reputation for being a giant killer, he has been reported as being 6'1 but he was more 5'11. thing is, as tall as george was. he rarely used it to good effect. his heavy punches and chin gave him the edge in almost all his fights.

but in that he was sloppy...very sloppy. uppercuts commonly came from the knee. these were only made effective becuase he was a strong, heavy, concussive hitter. if he wasnt possibly the hardest hitting heavyweight world champion ever then we would laugh at how he could get into contention, better yet would he of gone as far as he did if he didnt have that power?


i'm thinking clinic. a real slip, right hand, left hook fest on a very open and defencless foreman.
also i have never seen quarry manhandled. only from a distance could he be made to look pathetic. as he couldnt handle boxers or slicksters. he gave frazier a real tough fight but sucumbed to a prime smoking joe.

quarry too adaptable has enough chin to not get caught with the one punch, stamina that helped him and punch to make foreman not swarm him to the floor.

 

Styles dear boy styles.

Quarry provided certain stylistic problems for Foreman so why should Foreman go out of his way to fight him when he could find an equaly regarded name who would not pose the sam stylistic problems. This is not to say that Foreman is afraid of Quarry but Quarry would have to put him in a position where he needed to take the fight before it was on the cards.

As for Tyson he was the reigning champion and looked set to be so for the forseable future so the only way to the title was through him.

 

trust me, foreman didnt give a **** about tyson. i saw an interview of foreman where he says he could take 3 mike tysons in one night (he probably could have) and he meant it.

 

Dude, have our paths crossed before? Have we had a confrontation which would cause a personal attack? I come here to talk boxing not to get into shouting matches, but in your case I will make an exception. Is someone typing this for you? Like two guys in white coats? Because something tells me you're wearing a jacket with the sleeves tied behind your back. I've never heard such gibberish before. Gregorio Peralta was a 35-36 year old blown up light heavyweight. Don't compare him to Quarry. You look silly when you do that. Secondly, don't bring Frazier into this, that is a completely different style and Frazier would beat Jerry 10 times out of 10. As for Norton, again a completely different style and Quarry was at the end of his career. If you knew your history you would know that Quarry regularly schooled Norton at the Main Street Gym in L.A. when they were younger. The clubbing style of a puncher, which is what Foreman was, was Quarry's bread and butter. Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers and Mac Foster, all clubbing style punchers, both found this out the hard way. Thirdly, what was it you said, "no fighter in Foreman's career outboxed and beat him." I must've been in La-La land as Ali suckered Foreman for 7 rounds before lowering the boom or watching Jimmy Young box his ears off for 12. And of course the highlight of your discourse was "Foreman would beat Jerry in his pro-debut". This was it for me. One cannot have a normal conversation with someone who is obviously a Foreman butt-kisser. But then again, what does one expect from someone who calls themselves "Foreman rules"?

Scartissue

 

Foreman never stopped anybody world class in one round.

Why should Quarry be the first?

 

Foreman, you like to make enemies I see. Scar for the record, makes very good posts and I respect his insights. Your wrong about the first Peralta fight to start with, Foreman ran out of gas and won a close, tight fight against a smart blown up lightheavy. The Norton-Quarry fight happened at the end of Jerry's career and it was sad to see. Kenny said even so that Jerry hurt him with those body shots and its another matter had they met in their respective primes, Shavers remember took out Ken in 1 and Jerry, past his prime, took out Shavers in 1. Also you brought up the Chuvalo fight, a legit ko for George, but if your any kind of knowlegable fan then you shouldn't have to be told the ref was close to stopping the fight in favor of Jerry, that Jerry got carelessly caught with George's Sunday best and then lost the count at 8. Scar, don't let this guy get under your skin to much, not worth it.

 

For the record, Peralta had 89 fights going in with George the first time (not 60-70) and referee Tom Castellano scored the bout 5-4-1 in favor of George. It was really only that close because George had nothing left in the tank the last two rounds, and the judges had it way more in Foreman's favor, but many in the crowd saw it as the ref did, razor close.