Foreman replaces Douglas against Tyson

How much time dose Tyson have to prepare for Foreman. He has been training and sparing for Douglas. Foreman is a difrent boxer than Douglas.
I think Tyson would have been more focused for Foreman than he was for Douglas. I think the main factor in the result of Tyson/Douglas was that Douglas fought a near perfect fight, more than Tyson's decline and lack of focus.
Foreman replacing an injured Douglas is a competive fight. The lack of prep time for Foreman will hurt Tyson. However I think Tyson would take a Foreman match up more seriously than he did Douglas. I think Foremen needs to stop Tyson to win. I think Tyson will see the final bell and get a close decision.

 

It would never happen that way. If Foreman were to replace Douglas 2 months before the fight date, then yeah I could see this happening as Tyson brutally stops George in 2. :!:

 

If its the same Tyson, he doesn't make it out of the 4th. George would have just walked over him.

I do agree that with a full camp, Tyson would have taken things a bit more serious, as D'Amato raised him with some Old Testament fear of Foreman.

That'd be a fun battle. I think Foreman was very sharp against Cooney, and had a will not be denied air about him that Tyson never got back following the split with Rooney, and I give him the edge. Without his body attack being the focus, the head hunter version of Mike is just not well suited to beat any version of Foreman.

If he came out and fought the bout with a similar strategy as the Ruddock fights, and did actually prepare to execute them well, I think he wins by late TKO or strong UD. But I think Tyson was ready to be taken going into Tokyo, and the loss would have ultimately been good for him had he been sane.

 

This Tyson beats Old Foreman easily, Tokyo Tyson isn't as bad as people make out, Douglas just had the perfect foil for Tyson, where as Foreman is a big slow punch bag

 

Tokyo tyson lost to douglas so i'd expect him to get slaughtered by old george.

 

George, never somebody known for his speed, was probably at his quickest and sharpest for Cooney during his second career. And when Gerry did move with that short hook inside near the end of round one, it served to wake up the slumbering mammoth, to Cooney's severe detriment.

Mike didn't like being manhandled, something few heavyweights applied more aggressively than Foreman. The one time George did get knocked out, it was because somebody beat him at his own game according to Archie Moore, a certain loud mouth who hung on the back of his neck until he was completely enervated. The chances of Tyson successfully getting physical with Foreman in this way are nil.

Frazier, a physically strong heavyweight against anybody not named Foreman or Chuvalo, fought from a stronger base of balance than the squared up Tyson, whose broad shoulders would be a convenient and irresistible target for George to plant his big mitts on and shove back against. Smoke has a 73-1/2 inch reach to Tyson's 71 inches, and is an inch and a half taller than Mike according to boxwreck. Tyson's physical logisitics aren't great with the 6'4" Foreman, who wouldn't be spoiling like Bonecrusher, but stalking forward. Can Mike win on the back foot against somebody this much taller with over ten inches more in reach? Foreman didn't take a backwards step against Holyfield, who fortunately was far more mobile and versatile than Tyson.

Beyond this, second career Foreman cultivated an extremely effective jab from long range, straighter and more efficient than what he brought to the table in the 1970s. Mike is not going to be able to stand his ground and exchange with George at mid range, he was never a true infighter (and would get shoved back if he did attempt a secure position at close quarters), and I don't see him jabbing with Foreman from afar as he did with Tucker late, as George was one of the most proficient HW jabbers in the 1990s.

Surprisingly, Frazier was able to outmaneuver him through four rounds in 1976, but still didn't win a round. Nonetheless, when did Tyson ever demonstrate he was capable of moving like Smoke did in his rematch with George for any significant length of time? Cooney also tried moving on him, and couldn't last two. Only the 6'2" Morrison and 6'2" Young really succeeded at this, in what was probably the finest career performances of both.

Tyson would be facing the most physically powerful HW of all time, possibly stronger than Lennox, Holyfield and Bonecrusher put together. (Ask Morrison how much stronger George was than Lennox.)

I think Mike would come into this one already intimidated by D'Amato's early brainwashing, then get quickly demoralized when his Sunday punch fails to halt Foreman's forward progress. At some point, he will either quit in his corner like Bert "My head is buzzing" Cooper, or turn his back and throw his arms up in disgust like Qawi after taking one too many illegal but debilitating kidney shots. George didn't shy away from cheating, because he didn't give a **** about the scoring-he just wanted to get his man outta there any way he could. Ali outcheated him in Kinshasa. Tyson wouldn't be able to try.

 

Tyson brutally annihilates comeback Foreman.

 

My perspective on it exactly. Tyson was ready to be taken, his discipline and skillset deteriorating rapidly. In Tokyo, he frankly wasn't great-Simply good, and I give several fighters a strong chance of doing what Douglas did.

Foreman would wreck any version of Tyson not bobbing like a madman and going to the body with dedication. And I do mean wreck, like he did to Smoke in Jamaica. Mike's fragile mindset would accelerate an all out meltdown leading to a knock out.

When Rooney left, so did Mike Tyson the champion. What was left, Mike Tyson the great puncher who neglects the body and defense, meets his match against his stylistic nemesis, as the only things in his skillset capable of neutralizing a brute juggernaught like George went and got flushed down the toilet.

 

Yeah. I'm tired of this Tyson was scared of Foreman because he knows Foreman would beat him garbage. Imagine Tyson hitting George like Moorer was. Imagine Tyson hitting George like Holyfield did. He'd be f***** up beyond all recognition. It would be sickening. Even the Douglas Tyson. George couldn't even set the pace Douglas did by that point. No version of Tyson pre-prison loses to any version of post-comeback Foreman. ENOUGH. Might he get rattled like Holy did? Sure. Would he be kayo'd? 99/100, no.

 

Thank you.

I'd still pick Foreman, though. Just because I'm already pretty split on the idea of Old Foreman so if Tokyo Tyson was even 80-90% himself I'd probably pick Foreman.

 

Superb retort. atsch

 

Yes foreman was sharp against an inactive part time fighter who was a one time hype job back in the day, how does that bare any resemblance to what Tyson was capable of -even against Douglas?

 

Tyson wasn't sharp at all against Douglas. It'd be a big factor-One fighter, known as a clubber, was at the quickest and most accurate he'd ever been at his old age, while the other, famed for his brutal combination punching and speed, couldn't land a punch to save his life, and was getting hit with atleast half of whatever his opponent cared to throw.

Timing and preparation are key, and Foreman looked like a better fighter against Cooney than Mike did against Douglas. Mike needs George to miss. George didn't really miss Cooney, and Douglas didn't really miss Tyson. Douglas fought behind his stalwart jab and lateral movement. George would fight behind his slightly slower, harder jab and brute strength.

I see a similar result. Tyson would need to come in better prepared and with plan smarter than "Stagger around and get hit in the face" to reverse this outcome.

Sharp is sharp. The result can be discounted-Cooney isnt a phenomenal win, by any stretch. But if your sharp, your sharp. Doesn't matter against who. Ask any pro.

 

Tokyo tyson lost to buster. Now imagine every hw in history better than tokyo douglas and you have a huge pool of fighters that would have ended tyson's run as champ. Old foreman included.