Foreman replaces Douglas against Tyson

Luf, revisit Douglas of1990. I agree with PP it was a sensational performance- a blend of power,skill and endurance rarely mTched by one of the bigger heavies...

 

For some reason, when discussing bruce, your logic disappears.

I'm gonna leave it there.

 

Maybe it's something about 90's George, he could be great and overpowering or something uninspired.

 

nah, 90's George just was not that good. He was only great and overpowering against unrated opponents 20-40lb or so lighter but could barely hold his own against the elite. you would not bet your best friends toupee on him beating a decent contender.

 

South africa rahman v tokyo tyson...

 

would not be an easy fight, rahman was driven that night but Tyson would knock him out. That version of rahman was no better than 89' frank Bruno and Tyson was plagued with all the same chaos and prep of Tokyo when he beat Frank.

 

Rahman had a good enough jab and enough strength to keep lewis at range and back him up when necessary.

He had enough chin that he'd have recovered from the 8th pound uppercut.

Enough power to knock tyson out with a vicious combo in the 10th.

I can't think of anything that douglas could do that hasim couldn't. Maybe a touch faster but other than that pretty similar.

Both fought a great fight on the night.

 

rahmans head was held too high, he stood more square was not a combination puncher, did not set up the punches like douglas and was knocked out by a poor mans Tyson clone in david tua and Oleg maskiev -TWICE.

rahman did not have as good a resume against the elite fighters he met compared with Douglas. Frank Bruno was a better fighter than rahman and Tokyo Tyson was no beter for frank.

 

The stoppage loss to tua was very dubious. The draw was also a robbery.

Hasim beat sanders, tua, lewis and toney plus barrett I think but i'm not quite sure.

Either way seeing him against lewis in the first, that hasim destroys tokyo tyson maybe earlier than buster did because he's a harder puncher.

We all saw what happened when lewis didn't train well. Poor training by tyson gives the same end result.

 

Does rahman bring anything to the table that frank bruno did not have? I think not.

maybe hasim hit harder than douglas with a single shot but its negligable. hes not landing anywhere near as many punches beacuse rahman didnt lure opponents into traps like buster. His footwork was inferior in everyway.

The fact that he did not fare verry well against Tua dosnt bode too well for hasim. Tua was very one dimentional and would have been exposed by Tokyo Douglas in a big way. Therefore I cannot conclude rahman beats Tyson since he was KOd by a slower, one handed version of Tyson.

When rahman beat lennox lewis he may have been beating the best fighter in the world but a man who was not undefeated and past 35 years old. Lennox was also some 26lb heavier than when he first contested for a world title.

Douglas was beating an undefeated phenom universily recognised as invincible who was 23 years old and inside his highest recorded weight as a champion.

 

Peter Mcneeley and Buster Mathis put up a better fight against tyson than Seldon did, do you expect me to take a guy like that seriously?

Flip the coin, Douglas was beating Tucker until the fight was stopped. The same Tucker who gave a prime Tyson his toughest fight. The signs were always there that Douglas wasnt to be taken lightly.

Mcbride Tyson would KO Seldon. In the first round as well.

 

Rahman may be a harder puncher than Douglas.
But thats about it, Douglas is better than Rahman in ever department.

Douglas used his long reach advantage and jab (Something Rahman doesnt have over Tyson). He used combinations and good footwork.

It took a long 10 round pounding from Douglas to beat Tyson. Rahman has got absolutely nothing to hold Tyson off him, Tokyo Tyson would knock Rahman out.

It takes more than just a big punch to knock out Mike Tyson, just ask Razor Ruddock (Who hits much harder than Rahman)

 

George would be a challenge, and if he could land early and often against Tyson. Foreman would win.

However, if he goes late and Tyson lasts like Alex Stewart was able to, the slower Foreman could get blasted by a few good shots. I'm basing this off the fact that Tyson held in there against Douglas, then again I'm having a hard time putting together what Foreman could do against Tyson with that freakish power.

I'm not leaning towards either man, I just don't think Foreman would be as good as Douglas was that night. He would be one hell of a challenge though being as strong as he is.

Tokyo Tyson was an unusual creature, reading "The Last Great Fight" he seemed selfishly content. Tyson's star status saturated him to the point that he treated boxing 2nd nature to his own ego trip. Amidst the chaos of his life, he more or less took a vacation in Tokyo and paid for it in spades.

If Foreman would have fought and won against Tyson to regain his title that way? Whew, he'd 110% undo his loss to Ali in 1974.

 

see what I mean.

 

Keeping tyson on the end of jab. Maintaining focus and composure. Recovering from a knockdown. Physical strength.

Rahman had those in abundance and could have proved equally successful. Afterall who'd have picked douglas?

I'd love to see a mini tournament between braddock, douglas and rahman. Round robin.

To see who the greatest journey man hw champ was.