Foreman v Dempsey,Tyson,Marciano,Tua?

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  1. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Maybe. Like I said before, I've gone back & forth on it. 50/50 fight (right now I lean toward Foreman 55:45/60:40).
    Don't see this at all. Other than power, Tua has nothing to beat Foreman with. Plus, as we know - Foreman was durable AF. Tua gets pummeled.
     
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  2. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    I'd favor Foreman over all of them but give Tyson the best chance. I don't consider Tyson a swarmer though. Of all the swarmers (Frazier, Marciano, Dempsey) I might actually give Dempsey the best chance, he probably has the best track record against big men (though it goes without saying Willard, and Firpo are no Foreman), and he has a huge speed advantage, and more importantly an excellent right hand, which has historically been proven to be the hand to use against Foreman, that Frazier unfortunately lacked.

    I'd give Marciano the least chance (almost none) mainly because (along with all his other disadvantages) unlike Frazier and Dempsey, he doesn't even have a speed advantage over Foreman.
     
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  3. Showstopper97

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    You picked George to beat Mike (which I agree with) in 3 rounds (which I don't agree with) but gave all the other 3 (2 of them that would be LHW'S/CW's today) a much better chance
    Dempsey gets taken out inside 2

    Marciano in the same

    Tua either goes the distance (losing wide) or gets stopped inside 10.

    None of these guys do better than Tyson.
     
  4. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I see it 60:40 for Tyson

    Foreman is clearly favorite, but Tua can sure punch, and Foreman ain't exactly the epitome of skill
     
  5. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I can't forget Tuas retreat into passivity once he had sampled a couple of Lennox's righthanders.
     
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  6. Tonto62

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    Foreman had smarts he was great geometrically ,and had an excellent jab,his uppercut thudding into Tua's chops would extinguish the Samoan's zest for combat imo,and he'd soon settle for survival.
     
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  7. Tonto62

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    Rocky would be too slow and giving up 35 lbs of muscle, that's no knock on a wonderful warrior, but lets get real here.Dempsey and Tyson at least had speed.
     
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  8. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    None of them except Dempsey came forward as aggressively as Mike, playing right into Foreman's hands.

    In fact, as I write that I have to change my mind and say Jack gets stopped even sooner than Mike (almost solely due to having a similarly insistent incoming style)...but Mike can't come in the way he does and last more than 3 rounds against George. In fact, I don't give him 2.

    But all respect for your opinions

    Mike would get pulverized.
     
  9. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Endurance and maybe a better right hand, better defense
     
  10. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dempsey no swarmer
    Nevertheless the other guys have good chances due to foremans **** poor defense swamer or not
     
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  11. swagdelfadeel

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    I agree. Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't favor any of the swarmers, on your list to beat Foreman but gun to my head, Dempsey has the best chance.
     
  12. KidDynamite

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    I don't bet but I would say Foreman likely beats them all
     
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  13. Tonto62

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    Do you think Marciano's "endurance" was ever tested aginst a modern sized class heavyweight who was anywhere near prime.
    You think Marciano hit as hard as Foreman?
    Marciano was cut and marked up against a washed up one handed 37 years old Louis.
    " I couldn't avoid his jabs I just had to take them".
    Rocky was cut against Walcott,Charles both times,Moore ,Louis,Simmons,andSchkor, and in danger of being tko'd by both Charles and Simmons.
    I don't see much defence !
     
  14. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Might have had a better right, dont know harder or not
    Dempsey maybe a swarmer in the duran mold most likely boxer puncher and had a reach to him
    Ali, lyle, young found it plenty easy to land repeatedly on foreman and even even powder puff hitting young put foreman on his butt
    Foreman was vulnerable
     
  15. Tonto62

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    All were modern sized heavies with heavyweight reaches.Young cuaght George coming in and scored a flash kd,Foreman was up without a count.Foreman was vulnerable?Apart from Ali who exhausted him, who stopped him? Marciano was dropped by a 37 years old Walcott and a 40 years old Moore.How many bangers like Lyle did Rocky face?
    I'd agree on Dempsey.I couldnt find enough heavyweight swarmers of any quality,so put him in the frame.